From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 28 07:29:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B9C16A41F; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:29:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nork@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E648443D45; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:29:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nork@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (nork@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7S7TKjV006146; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:29:20 GMT (envelope-from nork@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from nork@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j7S7TKsB006142; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:29:20 GMT (envelope-from nork) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:29:20 GMT From: Norikatsu Shigemura Message-Id: <200508280729.j7S7TKsB006142@freefall.freebsd.org> To: past@ebs.gr, nork@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: ports/84672: Fix for the internal browser in java/eclipse X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:29:21 -0000 Synopsis: Fix for the internal browser in java/eclipse State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nork State-Changed-When: Sun Aug 28 07:29:01 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=84672 From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 28 14:35:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F151116A41F; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:35:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com [68.99.120.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A3E43D45; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:35:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050828143526.PBHU3947.lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com@dns1>; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:35:26 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:31:22 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200508280729.j7S7TKsB006142@freefall.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200508280729.j7S7TKsB006142@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508280731.22970.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: Norikatsu Shigemura , past@ebs.gr Subject: Re: ports/84672: Fix for the internal browser in java/eclipse X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:35:32 -0000 On Sunday 28 August 2005 00:29, the author Norikatsu Shigemura contributed= to=20 the dialogue on- Re: ports/84672: Fix for the internal browser in java/eclipse:=20 >Synopsis: Fix for the internal browser in java/eclipse > >State-Changed-From-To: open->closed >State-Changed-By: nork >State-Changed-When: Sun Aug 28 07:29:01 GMT 2005 >State-Changed-Why: >Committed, thanks! > >http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D84672 >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I wonder if you would please now post eclipse information to the new offici= al freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org mailing list which has been created with the=20 following charter: The intention of this list is to provide mutual support for everything to d= o=20 with choosing, installing, using, developing and maintaining the Eclipse ED= I,=20 tools, rich client applications on the FreeBSD platform and assisting with = the=20 porting of Eclipse EDI and plugins to the FreeBSD environment. =A0 =A0=20 The intention is also to facilitate exchange of information between the =A0 Eclipse community and the FreeBSD community to the mutual benefit of both. = =A0 =A0=20 Although this list is focused primarily on the needs of Eclipse users it wi= ll=20 also provide a forum for those who would like to develop FreeBSD specific=20 applications using the Eclipse framework.=20 All are welcome to subscribe. 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From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 28 19:53:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE5916A41F for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:53:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from fly.ebs.gr (fly.ebs.gr [62.103.84.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4FD43D49 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:53:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from ebs.gr (root@hal.ebs.gr [10.1.1.2]) by fly.ebs.gr (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7SJrMID092317; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:53:22 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from [10.1.1.200] (pptp.ebs.gr [10.1.1.200]) by ebs.gr (8.13.3/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7SJrNub027110; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:53:23 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Message-ID: <4312162C.2050604@ebs.gr> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:53:16 +0300 From: Panagiotis Astithas Organization: EBS Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050816) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Nelson References: <43062A01.5000208@phreaker.net> <20050821125806.4b06a022@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <20050826205909.GA15820@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20050826205909.GA15820@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is azureus finally okay? X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:53:34 -0000 Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Aug 21), Ion-Mihai Tetcu said: > >>On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:50:41 +0200 anon wrote: >> >>>I have used many bittorrent programs, Currently im using bittornado >>>after using rtorrent (great program but crashing all the time) But >>>Bittornado doesnt relly have all the good functions like a torrent >>>queue for example... >>> >>>Anyway I have had freeBSD 5.3 and my runnings with azureus have >>>always been troublesome, because azureus+freeBSD arent the best >>>friends... last time I tried with 2.2.0.0 and jdk-14 it didnt work, >>>only time it worked was when I tried an CVS nightbuild, with an old >>>azureus version, like 1.4 ... but that crashed once in a while >>>too... >>> >>>So im just wondering 1) is azureus, latest version from ports >>>finally hassle/bug/crash free? and therefore 1 b) is jdk 1.5 >>>finally working and okay? not just beta, or that I have to use >>>linux 1.5 java >> >>Right now azureus won't compile because of the new eclipse version. > > > I'm not sure why azureus requires eclipse at all. I have a homemade > port at http://dan.allantgroup.com/FreeBSD/swt-dan.tar.gz that builds a > standalone libswt, and I just use the jar file provided on the azureus > web site. There are no source patches in the current azureus port, so > it doesn't really make any sense to have to recompile it. > A standalone swt port was on my todo list, as well. Why don't you commit it, perhaps as swt30 and I'll work on swt31? Regards, Panagiotis From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 29 11:02:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4390F16A420 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:02:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B63D643D53 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:02:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TB2AMd021541 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:02:10 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j7TB29VQ021535 for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:02:09 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:02:09 GMT Message-Id: <200508291102.j7TB29VQ021535@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:02:11 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2002/05/13] ports/38018 java www/jakarta-tomcat4: make passing of JVM f [2002/05/13] ports/38020 java www/jakarta-tomcat4: stop tomcat via java o [2004/05/01] java/66151 java JBuilderX (sun jvm 1.4.1 builtin) crashes o [2004/09/22] ports/72014 java Eclipse doesn't work (SigBus 10) if it ha o [2004/12/06] ports/74760 java java/javavmwrapper messes up amavisd-new o [2005/01/24] java/76631 java any port linux-*-jdk12 will core dump if o [2005/03/04] ports/78396 java Java 1.4 fails to compile under FreeBSD 4 o [2005/05/17] java/81176 java Java Webstart does not work f [2005/06/13] java/82183 java Cannot install Java 1.5, lots of missing f [2005/07/14] ports/83434 java tomcat ports give the wrong ownership to o [2005/08/01] java/84422 java Timezone Handling does not work with Free 11 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- f [2003/09/16] ports/56928 java jce-aba port should install to $JAVA_HOME o [2004/08/11] java/70292 java jdk14 compile problem f [2004/11/24] ports/74344 java [proposal] tomcat41ctl: support for passi o [2004/12/16] ports/75143 java There is no way to specify jvm parameters o [2005/08/25] ports/85300 java [update] Update java/eclipse-cdt to versi 5 problems total. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 29 14:58:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4AC16A41F for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:58:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (glewis.dsl.xmission.com [166.70.56.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE8E43D49 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:58:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7TEwlO5091441; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:58:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j7TEwlrG091440; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:58:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:58:46 -0600 From: Greg Lewis To: Ralf Neeb Message-ID: <20050829145846.GA91424@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <1131832688@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1131832688@web.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www.eyesbeyond.com is not available... X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:58:50 -0000 On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 06:52:44PM +0200, Ralf Neeb wrote: > Making HTTP connection to www.eyesbeyond.com > Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host. > > Is there any mirror of www.eyesbeyond.com out there? > IMO a downtime of eyesbeyond.com is a blocking issue > for _every_ jdk native installation... There is no mirror, but its back now. -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 29 16:29:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476E416A41F for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:29:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad.brubaker@gmail.com) Received: from smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C9D2643D55 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:29:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad.brubaker@gmail.com) Received: (qmail 95363 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2005 16:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.104?) (emochila@sbcglobal.net@63.206.122.122 with plain) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2005 16:29:38 -0000 In-Reply-To: <20050829145846.GA91424@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <1131832688@web.de> <20050829145846.GA91424@misty.eyesbeyond.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6474994aec1af94073f83f7b8788582d@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chad Brubaker Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:29:37 -0700 To: Greg Lewis X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Cc: Ralf Neeb , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www.eyesbeyond.com is not available... X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:29:39 -0000 I've had problems accessing eyesbeyond.com several times during a time critical build unfortunately. Is there a particular reason that there is no mirror? On Aug 29, 2005, at 7:58 AM, Greg Lewis wrote: > On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 06:52:44PM +0200, Ralf Neeb wrote: >> Making HTTP connection to www.eyesbeyond.com >> Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host. >> >> Is there any mirror of www.eyesbeyond.com out there? >> IMO a downtime of eyesbeyond.com is a blocking issue >> for _every_ jdk native installation... > > There is no mirror, but its back now. > > -- > Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com > Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com > Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 29 22:07:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4142016A420; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:07:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com [68.99.120.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EBF43D49; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:06:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050829220659.PVLT2425.lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com@dns1>; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:06:59 -0400 Received: from mail.eclipse.org ([206.191.52.52]) by lakecmmtai06.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050829190424.WPAE16499.lakecmmtai06.coxmail.com@mail.eclipse.org> for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:04:24 -0400 Received: by mail.eclipse.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 2A149EF3C; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:04:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Vizion To: freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org X-Bugzilla-Reason: Voter Message-Id: <200508291502.53259.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:02:52 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Fwd: [Bug 89315] Add build files for FreeBSD (x86 and AMD64) X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:07:01 -0000 As the freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org mailing list is new I forwarded a copy of this to freebsd-java@freebsd.org. If anyone wishes to discuss (or any eclipse specific issues) this will they please do so on the freebsd-eclipse mailing list Thanks ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [Bug 89315] Add build files for FreeBSD (x86 and AMD64) Date: Monday 29 August 2005 12:04 From: bugzilla-daemon@eclipse.org To: vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=89315 ------- Additional Comments From bbiggs@ca.ibm.com 2005-08-29 15:04 ------- I intend to apply the patches to the launcher and SWT, but I have one question. I've been worried about the use of "libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0" vs "libgtk-x11-2.0.so" on *BSD vs Linux. For shared libraries, the first number is the major version number, and an unversioned .so link is supposed to point at the current development version (it's what -l uses). We can't dlopen the .so on every platform because doesn't always exist. Under many Linux distributions, the .so symbolic link only exists in the -devel package. I have heard that the library version weirdness on FreeBSD is due to a libtool bug, and is fixed by an "ltverhack" script at some point, but I have not been able to verify this. Anyway, back to the point, is there a sane #ifdef I can protect this around, or should I just use the FREEBSD one you define in the makefile? ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are a voter for the bug, or are watching someone who is. ------------------------------------------------------- -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 30 15:26:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A607E16A41F for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:26:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: from arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr [139.124.41.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEEE43D4C for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:26:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: from arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7UFQfGP025176; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:26:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: (from rv@localhost) by arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j7UFQeq7025175; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:26:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) X-Authentication-Warning: arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr: rv set sender to herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr using -f Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:26:40 +0200 From: Herve Quiroz To: Vizion Message-ID: <20050830152640.GA88612@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Vizion , freebsd-java@freebsd.org References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <200508261100.47550.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050826203737.GA58620@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <200508261720.38517.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200508261720.38517.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree? [Was freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list] X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:26:44 -0000 David, I pretty much agree with all that Greg already said but still there are some facts I think you should be aware of if you actually wish to improve eclipse support in the ports tree... On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 05:20:38PM -0700, Vizion wrote: > >I'm not sure how thats an argument for creating a non-virtual eclipse > >category. Would you care to explain? > > To hell with the pedantic label -- call it what you like - virtual or > non-virtual what matters is the reality of access and support to the freebsd > community that comes from the way in which we organize our files and install > the client rich applications and tools. > > here is what I think would work: > ports/eclipse/eclipse.v.x.xxx > .................../eclipse.v.x.nnn > ports/eclipse/plugins/puginlabel1 > ports/eclipse/plugins/pluginlabel2 > ................................/pluginlabelN > ports/eclipse/misc/file1 > ports/eclipse/misc/file2 > ............................/fileN > > Scattering eclipse modules and plugins over the whole of the ports tree would, > I believe, be both counterintuitive, counterproductive and > confusing.ports/eclipse No tool, whatever its "usefulness", deserves to have its own ports tree in the ports tree. That's indeed what you suggest in your message. The way the ports tree currently works is somewhat well defined in many locations (the Porter's Handbook mainly) and we, as commiters, tend to ensure that the current ports system provides enough flexibility so that no port would need some special treatment to fit in the ports tree. I suggest that we identify the features needed in the ports system to improve the support of Eclipse plugins so that we may improve the ports sytem rather than just make an exception of Eclipse. Actually, this is the way it works for all plugins-type ports in the tree: each plugin is a new port and, as a port, it gets a list of categories, the first one being its main category. Hence it may happen that the plugins are scattered amongst different directories. And I can't see why this is a problem. Take as an example the textproc/jdictionary port. There are many plugins that are each located in a language-specific category. Now you may think that it is troublesome to have them scattered but if all you really need is to be able to find all plugins that are available for jdictionary, then you are indeed provided with enough support in the ports tree: $ /usr/ports/Tools/scripts/portsearch -n jdictionary [...] Port: hu-jdictionary-eng-hun-expr-1.4_2 Path: /usr/ports/hungarian/jdictionary-eng-hun-expr Info: JDictionary plugin: English-Hungarian expression dictionary Maint: janos.mohacsi@bsd.hu Index: hungarian textproc B-deps: R-deps: XFree86-libraries-4.5.0 expat-1.95.8_3 fontconfig-2.2.3,1 freetype2- 2.1.10_1 javavmwrapper-2.0_5 jdictionary-1.8_2 jdk-1.4.2p7_1 pkgconfig-0.17.2 urwfonts-1.0 [...] Now, regarding the fact that all plugins would share the same code and thus need to have specific support in bsd.port.mk, let's take another look at jdictionary: $ ls /usr/ports/textproc/jdictionary/*.plugin Makefile.plugin pkg-plist.plugin Hence each plugin is quite short. For instance, /usr/ports/hungarian/jdictionary-eng-hun/Makefile just contains a few lines and inherits most of its logic from Makefile.plugin: MASTERDIR= ${.CURDIR}/../../textproc/jdictionary .include "${MASTERDIR}/Makefile.plugin" Moreover, bsd.port.mk already contains more than 5000 lines of quite complex logic. You may indeed advocate for some bsd.eclipse.mk (and no, Eclipse logic will probably never hit bsd.java.mk as far as I am concerned) but I can't see the point when you can just have some Makefile.plugin in /usr/ports/java/eclipse. I admit I am not using Eclipse myself (using rather vi, Maven, Ant and even some Makefiles) so I didn't feel too concerned about the effort in the first place. Moreover, I was too busy with other stuff to get involved in the process earlier. If I am to throw out my two cents on the freebsd-eclipse effort, I would say that you just lost even more commiters for the Eclipse cause. I, for instance, will probably never have a chance to work on the Eclipse framework now that there is a specific mailing list (that I obviously won't subscribe to). > The Vaporware to which I am referring are applications we do not currently > have on the freebsd platform but are being developed for other platforms. If > we are not careful freebsd will become no more nor less than a linux > emulation machine! [...] > Why go suboptimal? [...] > A tool is a tool -- freebsd is not a religion but a set of tools. We do not > need sacred relics but the flexibility to change. If the freebsd structure is > so rigid that establishing an /ports/eclipse/ hierarchy is complicated then > we need to use our flexible minds to design a more flexible solution. [...] > The interest is going to other platforms because people in the freebsd > community do not have the support from the eclipse community. The eclipse > community is therefore enlarging the linux base. We need to turn that around > and focus on the future not the past. [...] > I am not going to put in that kind of effort and simultaneously fight a > political battle to enable people to simply access the results. If freebsd is > satisfied with doing it in a "suboptimal fashion" then why should I or anyone > else bother? If the structure is not there to support it and neither will > anyone else. > > If the eclipse hierarchy was organized the way I suggest then the all the > plugins could be very quickly incorporated into the port tree Even if it may seem like political battles to outsiders, FreeBSD is IMHO more a matter of discussing things so that we take into account enough required (or foreplanned) features and end up implementing a somewhat flexible framework. I don't think you will get much attention from other commiters if you introduce things as "the one true approach" compared to the "suboptimal fashion" that is, by your word, the current state of the ports system. Let's rather discuss the real motive here: improve Eclipse plugin support in the ports tree. Again, it has nothing to do with the greatness of Eclipse nor the personal feelings of commiters towards Eclipse. In the later case, I would probably already have done some "cvs remove" on /usr/ports/java/eclipse a long time ago. :-) Together with the freebsd-java community we have been working on refactoring the Java subsystem for years so that it would provide *us* the support *we* needed (that is, not only to attract more developpers to FreeBSD from Linux). It took quite some time and some lengthy dicsussions to get our bsd.java.mk subsystem added to the tree and we are speaking of more than 300 Java ports here. So unless we manage to use a similar apporach for Eclipse as for jdictionary, you will probably end up battling a long time, advocating for a rework of the whole ports tree when 20 plugins ports are indeed concerned. That said, I don't mind contributing to your efforts if you need some advices or patch reviews. OTOH I won't be subscribed to freebsd-eclipse to please CC me if you wish me to help you. Now, because the 'java' category issue is quite often raised from the grave, I am starting to think we should indeed get rid of the category once and for all. I'll post on this topic in a separate message though. Herve From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 30 17:14:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8787416A41F; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:14:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com [68.99.120.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA6543D5A; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:14:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050830171431.OEUY2425.lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com@dns1>; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:14:31 -0400 From: Vizion To: Herve Quiroz Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:10:26 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <200508261720.38517.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050830152640.GA88612@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> In-Reply-To: <20050830152640.GA88612@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508301010.27373.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree? [Was freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list] X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:14:33 -0000 On Tuesday 30 August 2005 08:26, the author Herve Quiroz contributed to the dialogue on- Re: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree? [Was freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list]: I have replied to part of your contribution immediately - which seems to me to hold the nub of the issue. As you seem unwilling to discuss the issues on freebsd-eclipse I have responded here and posted the text on freebsd-eclipse. \ ------------------------------------------ >David, > >I pretty much agree with all that Greg already said but still there are >some facts I think you should be aware of if you actually wish to >improve eclipse support in the ports tree... I am replying to part of your response because I think you have a great musunderstanding. >I don't think you will get much attention from other commiters if you >introduce things as "the one true approach" compared to the "suboptimal >fashion" that is, by your word, the current state of the ports system. > Please do NOT put words the words of others in my mouth. "suboptimal" was not my description but a description given by Greg to the current state of affairs. I happen to agree with him but it is a committer who believes that to be the case. So please do not cast me in the role of an outsider decrying the work of vituous committers. I very much appreciate what you guys do which is done very well (even if I do hold to the view that the freebsd policies (which determine what should be done) are fast becoming out of date and in consequence freebsd is in danger of losing its pre-eminent place to linux. To my mind that would be a great loss). >Let's rather discuss the real motive here: improve Eclipse plugin >support in the ports tree. It is not justabout improving the support it is about improving convenience and accessibility. Perhaps it could be solved by writing an eclipse plugin for freebsd users which accessed the freebsd ports tree and pulled the plugins directly from the tree and installed them? In that way the freebsd ports tree would then have only to store the plugins themselves. This might be the way to go. In fact taking it one stage further such a plugin would mean that eclipse could be used to develop a global freebsd port access and installation tool. Now that is something worth thinking about! My general question is would there be real benefits from seperating the data storage and its internal structures (the ports tree itself), from the gui (which could use metadata to present information in the form required by the user about the data and assist the end user to select manage, select, upfate and install ports) and processes which implement user instructions. I sometimes wonder the excellent ports tree system appears, by comparison with some recent approaches, not to have benefited from an access makeover. However good the product I wonder whether we need to give more consideration to useability. An all bells and whistles web/database driven front end interface which enables the end user to organize information about the content is an ideal dream. Getting someone to give the time to do the work would be the challenge. >Again, it has nothing to do with the >greatness of Eclipse nor the personal feelings of commiters towards >Eclipse. In the later case, I would probably already have done some "cvs >remove" on /usr/ports/java/eclipse a long time ago. :-) Perhaps freebsd committers have had too much on their plate to be other than reactive. Certainly we are behind the curve on this one by comparison with Linux and that is worrying. Especially as the eclipse team only took the initiative to work with linux and ignored freebsd. That is starting to change thanks to the efforts of a few freebsd eclipse users and committers. > >Together with the freebsd-java community we have been working on >refactoring the Java subsystem for years so that it would provide *us* >the support *we* needed (that is, not only to attract more developpers >to FreeBSD from Linux). It took quite some time and some lengthy >dicsussions to get our bsd.java.mk subsystem added to the tree and we >are speaking of more than 300 Java ports here. So unless we manage to >use a similar apporach for Eclipse as for jdictionary, you will probably >end up battling a long time, advocating for a rework of the whole ports >tree when 20 plugins ports are indeed concerned. I do not know where you get the idea of 20 plugin ports from. There are currently twenty categories of eclipse plugins and 291 plugins. The estimate is that will be around 600 plugins within a year from now. Are you not sure that the scale of takeup, the volume of development in eclipse (and possibly its significance), and its potential to contribute to the advancement of freebsd has been underestimated within the freebsd "meritocracy". Will you please refrain from suggesting that I am advocating a rework of the ports tree? I have no way of knowing if or why any reworking is needed. It seems to me that that is matter for those who control the ports tree to decide. I fo not know how it works. My concern is to ensure that freebsd benefits from developments in the wider community and builds upon is assets. This discussion has taken me froma position of believing that freebsd has the tools we need to one where I have started to worry whether our assets (including the ports tree) have been engineered in a that has made data so inextricably interwoven with process that resource adaptability is now severely compromised. Fo you not agree that worry is reinforced when members of the committer community argue against such the simple concept I have proposed to deal with almost 300 eclipse plugins on the grounds that it implies a reworking of the ports tree? To be fair Greg has suggested that my proposal could be adopted by using what he labelled as a "virtual" solution that has been used elsewhere. From the way he put it forward I drew the implication that there would be a knee jerk reaction against the idea. I am now faced with the question is the ports tree as inflexible as some people suggest or are some members of our meritocracy more inflexible than the freebsd assets? > -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 30 18:51:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25EA16A41F; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:51:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com [68.99.120.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5930643D49; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:51:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050830185152.WYME3947.lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com@dns1>; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:51:52 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:47:51 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <200508261720.38517.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050830152640.GA88612@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> In-Reply-To: <20050830152640.GA88612@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508301147.51931.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: Herve Quiroz Subject: Re: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree? [Was freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list] X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:51:53 -0000 On Tuesday 30 August 2005 08:26, the author Herve Quiroz contributed to the dialogue on- Re: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree? [Was freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list]: >David, > >I pretty much agree with all that Greg already said but still there are >some facts I think you should be aware of if you actually wish to >improve eclipse support in the ports tree... > >On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 05:20:38PM -0700, Vizion wrote: >> >I'm not sure how thats an argument for creating a non-virtual eclipse >> >category. Would you care to explain? >> >> To hell with the pedantic label -- call it what you like - virtual or >> non-virtual what matters is the reality of access and support to the >> freebsd community that comes from the way in which we organize our files >> and install the client rich applications and tools. >> >> here is what I think would work: >> ports/eclipse/eclipse.v.x.xxx >> .................../eclipse.v.x.nnn >> ports/eclipse/plugins/puginlabel1 >> ports/eclipse/plugins/pluginlabel2 >> ................................/pluginlabelN >> ports/eclipse/misc/file1 >> ports/eclipse/misc/file2 >> ............................/fileN >> >> Scattering eclipse modules and plugins over the whole of the ports tree >> would, I believe, be both counterintuitive, counterproductive and >> confusing.ports/eclipse > >No tool, whatever its "usefulness", deserves to have its own ports tree >in the ports tree. That's indeed what you suggest in your message. The >way the ports tree currently works is somewhat well defined in many >locations (the Porter's Handbook mainly) and we, as commiters, tend to >ensure that the current ports system provides enough flexibility so that >no port would need some special treatment to fit in the ports tree. Does not flexibilty mean the system being able to meet the special needs of any individual port -- rather than the port having to adapted to meet the inevitably limited preconceptions of the system at the time of its conception? If the system was flexible then there would be no problem! Let see what we need and take it from there. Eclipse is a client rich application with nearly 300 plugin modules which is likely to have over 600 plugin modules within a year. Each plugin, in combination with the core, can (and often does) combine multiple functionalities (e.g it may combine the functionalities of a database, a browser, a language development environment and a network service). Modules may be dependent upon one another. Eclipse has its own internal mechanisms for handling those interdependencies. Is not the Freebsd ports hierarchy designed, from the base up, by seperating software on the assumption that the software can be categorized by functionalities? Is not the question how do we deal with archiving ports which conceptually conflict with the assumptions behind the original design. Or to put it the other way round, my question is how can we use the existing ports hierarchy to meet the needs of the new generation of client rich applications which eclipse represents? Eclipse represents a type of software development which did not exist at the time freebsd (or the ports) were being designed. How do we store 300 -600 plugins in the short term and make them easily accessible? How do we do that in a simple way? Eclipse has an inbuilt plugin import system. If all the plugins were organized in one directory then it would be possible to build a generic system which could use eclipse to load the plugins and reduce the amount of work needed to keep the eclipse hierarchy up to date. The only thing needed to make this work would be that only eclipse plugins should reside in the directory. Hence my suggestion /usr/ports/eclipse This directory would hold the eclipse core identified by version number and possibly a freebsd specific plugin which manages the loading of all remaining eclipse plugins /usr/ports/eclipse/plugins /usr/ports/eclipse/misc there is no reasomn why this hierarchy should not be: /usr/ports/xxxx/eclipse /usr/ports/xxxx/eclipse/plugins /usr/ports/xxxx/eclipse/misc I see practicle reasons for keep all eclipseplugins in a single directory hierarchy. david -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 30 19:54:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0794716A426; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:54:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kono@kth.se) Received: from omega.nanophys.kth.se (omega.nanophys.kth.se [130.237.35.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FDD43D4C; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:54:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kono@kth.se) Received: from omega.nanophys.kth.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by omega.nanophys.kth.se (8.13.3/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7UJvYcS035008; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:57:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from kono@kth.se) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by omega.nanophys.kth.se (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j7UJvYAR035004; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:57:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from kono@kth.se) X-Authentication-Warning: omega.nanophys.kth.se: kono set sender to kono@kth.se using -f From: Alexander Konovalenko Organization: KTH To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org, freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:57:33 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200508302157.34177.kono@kth.se> Cc: Subject: java plugin does not work on AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: kono@kth.se List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:54:38 -0000 Hello, I've tried all four browsers [linux-]mozilla and [linux-]firefox but neither recognized java plugin on my AMD64 platform. Is it possible to make it work? Any recommendations? both nc610-gcc32 and nc610 versions of ibjavaplugin_oji.so file I tried to copy/link into both /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/ and /usr/X11R6/lib/firefox/plugins/ ERROR messages for mozilla: (Gecko:99897): Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_property_get(): length value has wrapped in calculation (did you pass G_MAXLONG?) LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/compat/linux/usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so [/usr/compat/linux/usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so: unsupported file layout] LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/X11R6/lib/linux-flashplugin6/libflashplayer.so [/usr/X11R6/lib/linux-flashplugin6/libflashplayer.so: unsupported file layout] LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so [/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so: unsupported file layout] LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/compat/linux/usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so [/usr/compat/linux/usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so: unsupported file layout] LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/X11R6/lib/linux-flashplugin6/libflashplayer.so [/usr/X11R6/lib/linux-flashplugin6/libflashplayer.so: unsupported file layout] LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so [/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so: unsupported file layout] LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/compat/linux/usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so [/usr/compat/linux/usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so: unsupported file layout] LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/X11R6/lib/linux-flashplugin6/libflashplayer.so [/usr/X11R6/lib/linux-flashplugin6/libflashplayer.so: unsupported file layout] LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so [/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so: unsupported file layout] ERROR messages for linux-mozilla: Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from `GtkSuperWin' to `GtkWidget' error messages for linux-firefox: *** loading the extensions datasource *** ExtensionManager:_updateManifests: no access privileges to application directory, skipping. *** loading the extensions datasource *** ExtensionManager:_updateManifests: no access privileges to application directory, skipping. ERROR messages for firefox: firefox-bin:99982): Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_property_get(): length value has wrapped in calculation (did you pass G_MAXLONG?) LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so [/usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so: unsupported file layout] LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/X11R6/lib/linux-mozilla/plugins/nphelix.so [/usr/X11R6/lib/linux-mozilla/plugins/nphelix.so: unsupported file layout] LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/compat/linux/usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so [/usr/compat/linux/usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so: unsupported file layout] LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/X11R6/lib/linux-flashplugin6/libflashplayer.so [/usr/X11R6/lib/linux-flashplugin6/libflashplayer.so: unsupported file layout] LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/X11R6/lib/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so [/usr/X11R6/lib/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so: unsupported file layout] *** loading the extensions datasource *** ExtensionManager:_updateManifests: no access privileges to application directory, skipping. ports installed: firefox-1.0.6_1,1 linux-firefox-1.0.5 linux-mozilla-1.7.8_1 mozilla-1.7.10_1,2 javavmwrapper-2.0_5 linuxpluginwrapper-20050613 uname: FreeBSD hostXXX 5.4-STABLE FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE #0: Tue Apr 19 20:26:31 CEST 2005 root@hostXXX:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DAEMON64 amd64 The funny thing is that firefox 1.0.4 worked well with java plugin, but after recent ports upgrade no plugins work anymore. PS: I know, it's my fault, I am not using Window$ and donated too little to FreeBSD and Open Source communities regards, Alexander Konovalenko +46-8-5537-8142 (office) +46-7-3752-2116 Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) Nanostructure Physics Department, Albanova Roslagstullsbacken 21 10691 Stockholm From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 30 21:23:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F231E16A420; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:23:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7020943D46; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:23:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 8B0CE2664; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:23:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:23:42 -0500 To: Vizion Message-ID: <20050830212342.GA32240@soaustin.net> References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <200508261720.38517.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050830152640.GA88612@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> <200508301010.27373.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200508301010.27373.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: Herve Quiroz , freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree? [Was freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list] X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:23:44 -0000 On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 10:10:26AM -0700, Vizion wrote: > I am now faced with the question is the ports tree as inflexible as some > people suggest or are some members of our meritocracy more inflexible than > the freebsd assets? This is a complete oversimplification of the situation. There are some hard-coded assumptions in the ports tree -- one of which is that there are two levels, categories and ports -- and these assumptions are mirrored in the repositories of tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of users, and thousands of lines of shell scripts and database programs that create the binary packages and monitor the results of those build processes. So when you suggest that the only way that Eclipse can be supported is to have a multilevel ports tree -- as you are seeming to -- you are clearly totally misunderestimating the amount of effort involved. In your most recent email I think you are finally getting a lot closer to what I consider 'real' problem. IMHO the interesting problems you want to solve are the 'search' and 'browse' problems. Directory names controlled by CVS structures in an unbranched tree, which are then mirrored all around the world, are really poor paradigms for these problems. Herve has suggested some better tools for these which are better ways to think about these problems and you should look at those. We certainly need more. The meta-plugin idea is also worth considering. But restructuring the entire tree, even to add a few hundred ports, is simply not feasible with the level of volunteer effort we have and the number of people that depend on the current structure worldwide. mcl From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 31 14:48:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1207B16A42C for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:48:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Received: from mx5.roble.com (mx5.roble.com [206.40.34.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA2A43D46 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:48:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:48:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Marquis To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050831120023.56A8916A44A@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20050831072640.R83235@roble.com> References: <20050831120023.56A8916A44A@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree? X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:48:44 -0000 Vizion wrote: > I am now faced with the question is the ports tree as inflexible as some > people suggest or are some members of our meritocracy more inflexible than > the freebsd assets? What you see as inflexibility the rest of us see as structure. Sure it would be nice to insert a goto on occasion but, from a long-term perspective, the existing structure is better. Mark Linimon wrote: > In your most recent email I think you are finally getting a lot closer to > what I consider 'real' problem. IMHO the interesting problems you want to > solve are the 'search' and 'browse' problems. This is a good point, and a legitimate issue. One solution might be to move or symlink portsearch from /usr/ports/Tools/scripts to /usr/local/bin. If consolidation is in order why not follow the p5- example/standard and use the devel directory but rename the ports themselves to use an appropriate prefix (ports/devel/eclipse{,_plugin}-$plugin)? -- Roger Marquis Roble Systems Consulting http://www.roble.com/ From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 31 15:36:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1A616A41F for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:36:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com [68.99.120.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2931643D77 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:36:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050831153646.WXFY24491.lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com@dns1>; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:36:46 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:32:43 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20050831120023.56A8916A44A@hub.freebsd.org> <20050831072640.R83235@roble.com> In-Reply-To: <20050831072640.R83235@roble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508310832.43657.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: Roger Marquis Subject: Re: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree? X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:36:52 -0000 On Wednesday 31 August 2005 07:48, the author Roger Marquis contributed to the dialogue on- Re: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree?: >Vizion wrote: >> I am now faced with the question is the ports tree as inflexible as some >> people suggest or are some members of our meritocracy more inflexible than >> the freebsd assets? > >What you see as inflexibility the rest of us see as structure. Sure >it would be nice to insert a goto on occasion but, from a long-term >perspective, the existing structure is better. > >Mark Linimon wrote: >> In your most recent email I think you are finally getting a lot closer to >> what I consider 'real' problem. IMHO the interesting problems you want to >> solve are the 'search' and 'browse' problems. > >This is a good point, and a legitimate issue. One solution might be >to move or symlink portsearch from /usr/ports/Tools/scripts to >/usr/local/bin. > >If consolidation is in order why not follow the p5- example/standard >and use the devel directory but rename the ports themselves to use an >appropriate prefix (ports/devel/eclipse{,_plugin}-$plugin)? The main problem is that to harness eclipse's own plugin loaderwe need to have plugins in their own directory. If we can achieve that then we use the standard eclipse *.jar files wiothiout modification and speed up the process of getting the plugins into the port tree. It is the sole directory issue that is the problem. -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 31 15:41:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A69316A41F; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:41:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com [68.99.120.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D6143D48; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:41:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050831154140.XFPR2425.lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com@dns1>; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:41:40 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org, freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:37:36 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20050831120023.56A8916A44A@hub.freebsd.org> <20050831072640.R83235@roble.com> <200508310832.43657.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200508310832.43657.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508310837.37530.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: Roger Marquis Subject: Re: How should eclipse be organized in the ports tree? X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:41:43 -0000 On Wednesday 31 August 2005 08:32, the author Vizion contributed to the dialogue on- Re: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree?: -- thread in freebsd-eclipse >On Wednesday 31 August 2005 07:48, the author Roger Marquis contributed to >the dialogue on- > > Re: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree?: >>Vizion wrote: >>> I am now faced with the question is the ports tree as inflexible as some >>> people suggest or are some members of our meritocracy more inflexible >>> than the freebsd assets? >> >>What you see as inflexibility the rest of us see as structure. Sure >>it would be nice to insert a goto on occasion but, from a long-term >>perspective, the existing structure is better. >> >>Mark Linimon wrote: >>> In your most recent email I think you are finally getting a lot closer to >>> what I consider 'real' problem. IMHO the interesting problems you want >>> to solve are the 'search' and 'browse' problems. >> >>This is a good point, and a legitimate issue. One solution might be >>to move or symlink portsearch from /usr/ports/Tools/scripts to >>/usr/local/bin. >> >>If consolidation is in order why not follow the p5- example/standard >>and use the devel directory but rename the ports themselves to use an >>appropriate prefix (ports/devel/eclipse{,_plugin}-$plugin)? > >The main problem is that to harness eclipse's own plugin loaderwe need to > have plugins in their own directory. If we can achieve that then we use the > standard eclipse *.jar files wiothiout modification and speed up the > process of getting the plugins into the port tree. It is the sole directory > issue that is the problem. -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 31 15:51:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3D416A41F for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:51:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: from arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr [139.124.41.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC44843D46 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:51:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: from arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VFp27R058058 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:51:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) Received: (from rv@localhost) by arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j7VFp2JQ058057 for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:51:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) X-Authentication-Warning: arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr: rv set sender to herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr using -f Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:51:02 +0200 From: Herve Quiroz To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050831155102.GA57775@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org References: <20050831120023.56A8916A44A@hub.freebsd.org> <20050831072640.R83235@roble.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050831072640.R83235@roble.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree? X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:51:06 -0000 Roger, On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 07:48:43AM -0700, Roger Marquis wrote: > Vizion wrote: > >I am now faced with the question is the ports tree as inflexible as some > >people suggest or are some members of our meritocracy more inflexible than > >the freebsd assets? > > What you see as inflexibility the rest of us see as structure. Sure > it would be nice to insert a goto on occasion but, from a long-term > perspective, the existing structure is better. As I already told David in a private mail, he seems to lack the proper understanding of the depth and complexity of the ports system. And as I stated in the forecited message to David, I will now focus on getting the 'java' category fully virtualized and begone from the freebsd-eclipse effort unless specifically asked for help. I have some other issues to tackle on my own. As a side note, I am already starting to find that the freebsd-eclipse@ mailing list will have things even more difficult for the community to get commiters involved in the process. > Mark Linimon wrote: > >In your most recent email I think you are finally getting a lot closer to > >what I consider 'real' problem. IMHO the interesting problems you want to > >solve are the 'search' and 'browse' problems. > > This is a good point, and a legitimate issue. One solution might be > to move or symlink portsearch from /usr/ports/Tools/scripts to > /usr/local/bin. I agree with this. portsearch is such a great tool that I wonder why it has not yet found its way into ${PREFIX}/bin. We are flying away from the Java and Eclipse discussion here but since Mark (and his maintainer hat) is involved, I would like to suggest the idea to have such symlink created by sysutils/port-maintenance-tools. Herve From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 31 15:55:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D9A16A41F; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:55:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hq@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B482C43D45; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:55:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hq@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (hq@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VFtsYr061974; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:55:54 GMT (envelope-from hq@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from hq@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j7VFtsgD061970; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:55:54 GMT (envelope-from hq) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:55:54 GMT From: Herve Quiroz Message-Id: <200508311555.j7VFtsgD061970@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hq@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: ports/85300: [update] Update java/eclipse-cdt to version 3.0.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:55:55 -0000 Synopsis: [update] Update java/eclipse-cdt to version 3.0.0 Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-java->freebsd-eclipse Responsible-Changed-By: hq Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Aug 31 15:55:19 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to maintainer(s). http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=85300 From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 31 15:57:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4813B16A41F; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:57:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hq@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029EE43D45; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:57:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hq@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (hq@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7VFvO62062027; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:57:24 GMT (envelope-from hq@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from hq@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j7VFvOIh062023; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:57:24 GMT (envelope-from hq) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:57:24 GMT From: Herve Quiroz Message-Id: <200508311557.j7VFvOIh062023@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hq@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: ports/72014: Eclipse doesn't work (SigBus 10) if it has been built with GTK X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:57:25 -0000 Synopsis: Eclipse doesn't work (SigBus 10) if it has been built with GTK Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-java->freebsd-eclipse Responsible-Changed-By: hq Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Aug 31 15:56:33 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to maintainer(s). http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=72014 From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 31 16:06:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9205016A41F for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:06:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com [68.99.120.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB88643D45 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:06:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050831160637.BRLU3947.lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com@dns1>; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:06:37 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:02:34 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20050831120023.56A8916A44A@hub.freebsd.org> <20050831072640.R83235@roble.com> <20050831155102.GA57775@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> In-Reply-To: <20050831155102.GA57775@arabica.esil.univ-mrs.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508310902.34681.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: Herve Quiroz Subject: Re: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree? X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:06:38 -0000 On Wednesday 31 August 2005 08:51, the author Herve Quiroz contributed to the dialogue on- Re: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree?: >Roger, > >On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 07:48:43AM -0700, Roger Marquis wrote: >> Vizion wrote: >> >I am now faced with the question is the ports tree as inflexible as some >> >people suggest or are some members of our meritocracy more inflexible >> > than the freebsd assets? >> >> What you see as inflexibility the rest of us see as structure. Sure >> it would be nice to insert a goto on occasion but, from a long-term >> perspective, the existing structure is better. > >As I already told David in a private mail, he seems to lack the proper >understanding of the depth and complexity of the ports system. I think you are right -- I do not understand its complexity and that is really part of my point. The priority is trying to find a method that works even if it means doing something different. I agree we need to use the existing ports mechanism - I do not agree with the almost quasi-religious notion that we cannot make eclipse a category. If there is a good functional reason for making it a category then fine -- and that would apply to any other candidate as well. There is nothing sacred about categories. However let me make it clear my btarget is not to achieve a category but a means of having all eclipse plugins in a single directory. If someone who understand the complexity of the ports system can figure that out then we are home amnd dry. > >And as I stated in the forecited message to David, I will now focus on >getting the 'java' category fully virtualized and begone from the >freebsd-eclipse effort unless specifically asked for help. I have some >other issues to tackle on my own. > >As a side note, I am already starting to find that the freebsd-eclipse@ >mailing list will have things even more difficult for the community to >get commiters involved in the process. > >> Mark Linimon wrote: >> >In your most recent email I think you are finally getting a lot closer to >> >what I consider 'real' problem. IMHO the interesting problems you want >> > to solve are the 'search' and 'browse' problems. >> >> This is a good point, and a legitimate issue. One solution might be >> to move or symlink portsearch from /usr/ports/Tools/scripts to >> /usr/local/bin. > >I agree with this. portsearch is such a great tool that I wonder why it >has not yet found its way into ${PREFIX}/bin. We are flying away from >the Java and Eclipse discussion here but since Mark (and his maintainer >hat) is involved, I would like to suggest the idea to have such symlink >created by sysutils/port-maintenance-tools. > >Herve >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 1 07:59:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFA216A41F for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 07:59:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com) Received: from matrix.gatewaynet.com (matrix.gatewaynet.com [217.19.69.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF1143D53 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 07:59:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com) Received: from matrix.gatewaynet.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by matrix.gatewaynet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j817p82n004501 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:51:08 +0300 Received: from localhost (achill@localhost) by matrix.gatewaynet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id j817p8us004497 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:51:08 +0300 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:51:08 +0300 (EEST) From: Achilleus Mantzios To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050831072640.R83235@roble.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree? X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 07:59:42 -0000 Just my 2 cents from a user's 'perspective' :) First off, i believe FreeBSD people must stop running as hell behind any project on this earth, and let instead the guys behind this project provide builds for FreeBSD (maybe with the supervision/help of some FreeBSD people), but definetately *those guys* must do the hard part. I dont see why an HP-UX or solaris or AIX port is more important than a *BSD one. So they better start considering BSDs too. (A monthly maintenance fee from a customer (most likely a bank) running MVS, DB2, CICS and many other fine IBM s/w would suffice to feed the developer in hand and his family for a year). Sorry for the bitter tone here, but once i was a proud mainframe system *programmer* (thanks god not anymore). Second, i believe this eclipse plugin issue is complete paranoia. Eclipse already provides a plugin management mechanism. The first time in my life i needed EMF (2.1.0) i had to use eclipse's mechanism and NOT the port (2.0.1). If JNI is not involved why not just let users manage their own pluggins? The /usr/ports eclipse plugin approach seem appropriate for machines whith many users (campus, sw dev companies, etc) and SLOW internet connections, which doesnt comprise a sufficient large community i suppose. Also this way potential newbies dont get confused on which way to go, the ports way or the "Help->Software Updates->Find and Install" way. I believe that ports should exist under java (yes eclipse is 99% about java) only when native code is an issue. And third, i dont embrase the "do it all with ports" philosophy, PostgreSQL being a major example of when not to use ports (for update, ok i mean portupgrade here). Although the ports provide a fine abstraction of the software management, some additional homework needs to be individually done for many ports. I mean the ports (being as great as they are), by nature, they cant beat much simpler problems than eclipse's problem. Why tweak with the (generally excellent) ports tree just for eclipse?? I think eclipse was made from IBM surely not from the purest open source feelings. Eclipse one day may be gone. Ports are here to stay for a long time. -- -Achilleus From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 3 11:41:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A9916A41F for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:41:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from support@earthtecinc.com) Received: from earthtecinc.com (earthtecinc.com [200.46.204.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6560A43D45 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:41:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from support@earthtecinc.com) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by earthtecinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAFDC7320BB; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:40:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from earthtecinc.com ([200.46.204.10]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 81602-09; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:41:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from Budha (blk-222-189-149.eastlink.ca [24.222.189.149]) by earthtecinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BEF73209E; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:40:57 +0100 (BST) From: "ET Support" To: Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:43:57 -0300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: High X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org Subject: problems installing jdk1.5.0 on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 11:41:07 -0000 Dear FreeBSD Supporters, I am trying to install JDK 1.5.0 on a FreeBSD system and getting some errors; esbank# /usr/local/jdk1.5.0/bin/java --version Error: could not find libjava.so Error: could not find Java 2 Runtime Environment. is what is generating the error ... the libjava.so is in: esbank# find /usr/local/jdk1.5.0 -name libjava.so -print /usr/local/jdk1.5.0/jre/lib/i386/libjava.so so for some reason, it isn't finding the proper path ... Please advise. Thanks, Ben King ET Support support@earthtecinc.com http://EarthTecInc.com/ "Offshore web hosting is just the beginning"