From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 15 09:30:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F2416A401 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:30:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dasblut@comcast.net) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.77.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6845A43D64 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:30:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dasblut@comcast.net) Received: from hp.org (c-69-246-87-201.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[69.246.87.201]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <20060315093031011008tc25e>; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:30:31 +0000 Received: by HP.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 49A0B5BAA5; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 04:31:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 04:31:53 -0500 From: AK To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060315093153.GA20820@HP.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> References: <20060224095311.egbk0ss0o888sgo0@webmail.spamcop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060224095311.egbk0ss0o888sgo0@webmail.spamcop.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: slackwarewolf@comcast.net Subject: Re: BSD Mall : to hell X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:30:38 -0000 On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 09:53:11AM +0100, Gilbert Fernandes wrote: > > Does anyone have a contact at BSD Mall ? Apart from "sales@bsdmall" ? > Ordered FreeBSD from them November 5th 2005 and we are almost > at the end of February 2006. Hahahahaha.. I ordered "Teach yourself Free BSD" as a book and "20 Years of Berkeley Unix" on DVD. I paid for 2nd day air mail, and received the book on time, however, my DVD, no. I emailed and emailed just as you did with NO responce. Then the survey came asking to rate them as a business. I ripped them so bad an NT server would look good. A week later I get a phone call and do to a "problem" they couldn't get back to me for almost 2 weeks. They finally sent my DVD and a BSD sticker. I open the DVD and see it's a burned copy of it..... Pop it in my laptop and watch it. It even told me what burner software they used to create the DVD. And of course, it doesn't work in my DVD player, just the computer. I was expecting at least a REAL DVD and not a copied burned one. > 3 monthes and they don't even have in 2 monthes answered any emails > asking for explanations. Never order form there again. I'm not. These are trusted sources in my book: http://store.slackware.com http://www.freebsdmall.com Both of these are trusted by me. The Slackware store is always on time even though I know from talking to Pat ONE person does the whole thing for shipping, and I pay for NEXT DAY and get it on time. Free BSD mall has NEVER given me one problem so I buy a lot from there. I highly recommend the sticker case plates by the way they are cute as is the Tee ... And I ordered 6.0 on CD too and 300 dollars worth of books. > I strongly suggest people to avoid ordering from them. I don't know how > they did serve any other members of FreeBSD around but they just take > money, dont send anything and don't care afterwards. I agree. Don't ever buy from there, it was horrible. -Allen > -- > unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; find ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; > fsck ; umount ; sleep > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 15 14:16:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C45F16A4C2 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:16:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul.butler@tdbanknorth.com) Received: from tdbanknorth.com (mail6.tdbanknorth.com [12.15.146.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A950A43D45 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:16:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paul.butler@tdbanknorth.com) Message-ID: <8D4CC51B528A28409E4E3F7C774B7ED737C9D2@ME6AWMAILCLUS01.bkng.net> From: "Butler, Paul" To: "'freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org'" Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:15:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 137, Issue 1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:16:25 -0000 RE: freebsdmall Don't forget the Beastie boxer shorts! They're great. My wife likes them too. http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm/search?id=B9JTIsSv&mv_pc=56 Paul Butler ****************************************************************** Never order form there again. I'm not. These are trusted sources in my book: http://store.slackware.com http://www.freebsdmall.com Both of these are trusted by me. The Slackware store is always on time even though I know from talking to Pat ONE person does the whole thing for shipping, and I pay for NEXT DAY and get it on time. Free BSD mall has NEVER given me one problem so I buy a lot from there. I highly recommend the sticker case plates by the way they are cute as is the Tee ... And I ordered 6.0 on CD too and 300 dollars worth of books. > I strongly suggest people to avoid ordering from them. I don't know how > they did serve any other members of FreeBSD around but they just take > money, dont send anything and don't care afterwards. I agree. Don't ever buy from there, it was horrible. -Allen From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 15 16:01:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B00C16A425 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:01:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reallost1@gmail.com) Received: from pproxy.gmail.com (pproxy.gmail.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1991243D45 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:01:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reallost1@gmail.com) Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n25so98036pyg for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:01:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=H39XPK4xio0RIzAv+UDvW/sLV6WQY5o6IfoBx4HqedKeE2VwCY3RPrmI+mpxFcVb/nbE/WHmpn3Rvqluyth/hYTUCQ7ZdUIbWdgLW1vUippbX+M07UBwPTBt7mP+XKlO7yF83l/IqW3zXv/oS1jIeRJnNfKdtXEdUMsfG2TJ9CQ= Received: by 10.35.70.17 with SMTP id x17mr426469pyk; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 06:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.121.16 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 06:13:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8f6775e00603150613r18faa617ode095fa6d0313c88@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:13:31 -0600 From: "Chris Coleman" Sender: reallost1@gmail.com To: AK In-Reply-To: <20060315093153.GA20820@HP.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060224095311.egbk0ss0o888sgo0@webmail.spamcop.net> <20060315093153.GA20820@HP.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Mall : to hell X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: chrisc@vmunix.com List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:01:55 -0000 Email witt@cylogistics.com he will get your order fixed.=20 sales@bsdmall is so swamped with spam that real messages get lost in the filter. -Chris On 3/15/06, AK wrote: > On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 09:53:11AM +0100, Gilbert Fernandes wrote: > > > > Does anyone have a contact at BSD Mall ? > > Apart from "sales@bsdmall" ? > > > > Ordered FreeBSD from them November 5th 2005 and we are almost > > at the end of February 2006. > > Hahahahaha.. I ordered "Teach yourself Free BSD" as a book and "20 Years = of > Berkeley Unix" on DVD. I paid for 2nd day air mail, and received the book > on time, however, my DVD, no. I emailed and emailed just as you did with = NO > responce. Then the survey came asking to rate them as a business. > > I ripped them so bad an NT server would look good. A week later I get a > phone call and do to a "problem" they couldn't get back to me for almost = 2 > weeks. They finally sent my DVD and a BSD sticker. > > I open the DVD and see it's a burned copy of it..... > > Pop it in my laptop and watch it. It even told me what burner software th= ey > used to create the DVD. And of course, it doesn't work in my DVD player, > just the computer. I was expecting at least a REAL DVD and not a copied > burned one. > > > > 3 monthes and they don't even have in 2 monthes answered any emails > > asking for explanations. > > Never order form there again. I'm not. > > These are trusted sources in my book: > > http://store.slackware.com > > http://www.freebsdmall.com > > Both of these are trusted by me. The Slackware store is always on time ev= en > though I know from talking to Pat ONE person does the whole thing for > shipping, and I pay for NEXT DAY and get it on time. > > Free BSD mall has NEVER given me one problem so I buy a lot from there. I > highly recommend the sticker case plates by the way they are cute as is t= he > Tee ... And I ordered 6.0 on CD too and 300 dollars worth of books. > > > I strongly suggest people to avoid ordering from them. I don't know how > > they did serve any other members of FreeBSD around but they just take > > money, dont send anything and don't care afterwards. > > I agree. Don't ever buy from there, it was horrible. > > -Allen > > > > -- > > unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; find ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; ye= s ; > > fsck ; umount ; sleep > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 15 22:11:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013A916A401 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:11:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wildfire@mail.com) Received: from p83.129.5.117.tisdip.tiscali.de (p83.129.5.117.tisdip.tiscali.de [83.129.5.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 83AE943D60 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:10:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wildfire@mail.com) Received: from mail.com (mail-com-bk.mr.outblaze.com [64.71.166.194]) by p83.129.5.117.tisdip.tiscali.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F7B968E07F for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:07:43 -0500 Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20060315170743.8be1aab1@mail.com> X-Sender: barbarian@mail-com-bk.mr.outblaze.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:07:43 -0500 To: advocacy From: Yakovlev A.G. 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(v2.00.0) Personal X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <0195861398.20060315175425@comidamexicana.com> To: advocacy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by AMaViS 0.2.1 (http://amavis.org/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: =?windows-1251?b?zvIg8/fl4e3u4+4g9uXt8vDgIO/uIMLg+OXs8yDn4O/w?= =?windows-1251?b?7vHz?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:56:41 -0000 Семинар, который получил все высшие награды. 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Серия семинаров: "Бюджетное управление инвестиционными проектами" Тема курса настолько расширенная, что имеет четыре дополнительных названия - это темы котрые включены в занятия и являются составляющей частью общего учебного курса: Общее название семинара: "Техника бюджетирования: основа в системе планирования предприятия, бюджетный контроль и анализ исполнения бюджета". 1-е Название семинара: "Методика и техника бюджетирования - основа профессионального финансового планирования на предприятии". 2-е Название семинара: "Управление инвестиционными проектами (план, факт, финансовый анализ)". 3-е Название семинара: "Профессиональное финансовое планирование". 4-е Название семинара: "От начальных элементов бизнес планирования и инвестиционного проектирования до построения экономической модели предприятия и создания профессиональной документации". По телефонному запросу высылаются 2 информационных файла: полное описание семинара; форма заявки на участие в семинаре. Занятия проводятся в компьютерном классе (из расчета: один участник - одно рабочее место). Семинар ориентирован на: Руководителей организаций, руководителей планово-экономических служб, специалистов по управлению финансами, собственников, инвесторов, специалистов кредитных организаций и органов государственного управления, осуществляющих экспертизу инвестиционных проектов, внутренне планирование текущей и будущей деятельности предприятий подготовку и принятие решений, связанных с долгосрочным и краткосрочным инвестированием. Специалистов, осуществляющих внутренне планирование текущей (отчетной) и будущей (планируемой) деятельности предприятий подготовку и принятие решений, связанных с долгосрочным и краткосрочным кредитованием предприятия, поиском партнеров, подготовкой внутренней финансовой и документации, ежедневным планированием деятельности собственного предприятия или его подразделений. Каждому участнику семинара : для дальнейшей успешной работы и внедрения методики планирования и текущего бюджетного учета на предприятии предоставляются бесплатно следующие методические материалы и программы * Business Plan PL Профессиональная разработка документации! Программный продукт способен не только разрабатывать финансовую документацию на профессиональном уровне, в новой версии реализованы значительные возможности для планирования текущего бюджета предприятий. * Business Plan PL Integrator Professional category Объединение, сравнение проектов, холдинг, консолидированная отчетность. * Business Plan PL Analyzer Professional category Построение, развитие и управление экономической моделью предприятия. Управление инвестиционными проектами, сравнение план/факт, мониторинг бюджета предприятия в реальном времени. Возможность написания собственных формул, сценария диагностики проекта, перепрограммирование и настройка программы. * Business Plan PL Техт Автоматизированное решение проблемы описания финансового проекта! Профессиональный ПП для разработки текстовой части деловой документации при помощи мыши (бизнес планов, ТЭО, инвестиционных проектов и прочих финансовых проектов.). * Business Plan М" Экспресс подготовка экономической документации. * Методический печатный материал Э электронная версия (на CD) методического материала для самостоятельной разработки финансовой документации и собственного методического материала. * Впервые и только для данной группы! Business Plan PL Report Designer Professional category Позволяет простыми визуальными средствами решить одну из трудоемких и важных задач составление отчетности по финансовым проектам. Блок позволяет перенаправить данные, введенные в комплексе " Business Plan PL Professional category ", в собственный шаблон, подготовленный средствами MS Excel. ДОПОЛНИТЕЛЬНО: только участники семинара получат в подарок от компании часть технологий в виде исполнительных программных модулей для воспроизводства документации и формирования отчетов и презентаций. Стоимость программ включена в стоимость семинара. Для данной категории участников будет организован дополнительный бесплатный день обучения не входящий в состав расписания проводимого семинара. Каждому участнику семинара Выдается квалификационный с е р т и ф и к а т Компании о прохождении курса обучения по методике "Бюджетирование" и классу семинаров "Бюджетное управление инвестиционными проектами". Списки сертифицированных специалистов публикуются на сайте Компании и будут подтверждаться по любому запросу в течение квалификационного периода. Семинар проводится в CONGRESS - HOTEL IRIS Доставка к месту проведения семинара осуществляется транспортом компании. По вопросам регистрации обращайтесь по тел: тел. 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[fdic.gif] [houselender.gif] References 1. http://82.182.35.94/~bnc/login.chase.com/index.html From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 16 02:26:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5436216A400 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:26:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slackwarewolf@comcast.net) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF1D43D48 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:26:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from slackwarewolf@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (c-69-246-87-201.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[69.246.87.201]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <20060316022628m1100c887ve>; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:26:28 +0000 From: Allen To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:27:49 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <8D4CC51B528A28409E4E3F7C774B7ED737C9D2@ME6AWMAILCLUS01.bkng.net> In-Reply-To: <8D4CC51B528A28409E4E3F7C774B7ED737C9D2@ME6AWMAILCLUS01.bkng.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200603152127.50251.slackwarewolf@comcast.net> Subject: Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 137, Issue 1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:26:30 -0000 On Wednesday 15 March 2006 9:15 am, Butler, Paul wrote: > RE: freebsdmall > > Don't forget the Beastie boxer shorts! They're great. My wife likes them > too. So do I. My first order from Free BSDmall included those and a tee Shirt. Then I spent 500 dollars on my last order there buying The Complete Free BSD 4th edition, the 6.0 CD set, The Free BSD handbook, all of them.... and almost every book they sell. and of course some stickers, I love those, my laptop looks like it has a tattoo of free BSD and Linux > http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm/search?id=B9JTIsSv&mv_pc=56 > > > Paul Butler > > > ****************************************************************** > > > Never order form there again. I'm not. > > These are trusted sources in my book: > > http://store.slackware.com > > http://www.freebsdmall.com > > Both of these are trusted by me. The Slackware store is always on time even > though I know from talking to Pat ONE person does the whole thing for > shipping, and I pay for NEXT DAY and get it on time. > > Free BSD mall has NEVER given me one problem so I buy a lot from there. I > highly recommend the sticker case plates by the way they are cute as is the > Tee ... And I ordered 6.0 on CD too and 300 dollars worth of books. > > > I strongly suggest people to avoid ordering from them. I don't know how > > they did serve any other members of FreeBSD around but they just take > > money, dont send anything and don't care afterwards. > > I agree. Don't ever buy from there, it was horrible. > > -Allen > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 16 02:32:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2370916A401 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:32:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Michael@mail.fgd.com.tw) Received: from mail.fgd.com.tw (60-248-233-131.HINET-IP.hinet.net [60.248.233.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8DB43D53 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:32:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Michael@mail.fgd.com.tw) Received: from mail.fgd.com.tw (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fgd.com.tw (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k2G2eUQo005462 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:40:31 +0800 Received: (from Michael@localhost) by mail.fgd.com.tw (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k2G2eUOD005461; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:40:30 +0800 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:40:30 +0800 Message-Id: <200603160240.k2G2eUOD005461@mail.fgd.com.tw> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org From: Chase Online Banking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: New message from Chase Bank X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:32:02 -0000 [chase_logo.gif] Chase Bank valued costumer, Due to concerns, for the safety and integrity of the online banking community we have issued this warning message. 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[fdic.gif] [houselender.gif] References 1. http://82.182.35.94/~bnc/login.chase.com/index.html From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 16 09:47:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333FF16A401 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:47:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ktservice@ttnet.net.tr) Received: from fep01.ttnet.net.tr (mail.ttnet.net.tr [212.175.13.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC09E43D45 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:47:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ktservice@ttnet.net.tr) Received: from (192.168.8.101) by AVGW-I-1.ttnet.net.tr via smtp id 1c05_da7061de_b4a7_11da_9531_001422175f0e; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:46:38 +0200 Received: from user-v0gpperj84 ([81.213.123.200]) by fep01.ttnet.net.tr with ESMTP id <20060316094227.HWAS11705.fep01.ttnet.net.tr@user-v0gpperj84> for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:42:27 +0200 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(envelope-from mv@roq.com) Received: from p4.roq.com (ns1.ecoms.com [207.44.130.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8566543D45; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:06:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mv@roq.com) Received: from p4.roq.com (localhost.roq.com [127.0.0.1]) by p4.roq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC214CD73; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:06:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] (ppp157-158.static.internode.on.net [150.101.157.158]) by p4.roq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 666304CD18; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:06:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <441A35AE.2020108@roq.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:06:06 +1100 From: Michael Vince User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060213 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Java 1.5 donations X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:06:09 -0000 Hi All, I been seeing a lot of VM crash reports posted to this mailing list and I was thinking how it would be great if this project got funding, everyone knows doing work for reward is better then doing it for free. I just wanted to state my personal opinion and thoughts about this topic. I was thinking that methods like Andre Oppermann seem to give a good example of how a (arguably) small amount of money $18k US can go to greatly help the FreeBSD project. http://people.freebsd.org/~andre/tcpoptimization.html I was wondering if anyone knew if there was any details such as a time frame and a rough figure of how much it would cost to get some good results (or even full Sun Java certification) happening 1.5 Java on i386/amd64 as I was hoping maybe I could persuade the company I work at to donate. I also did notice that there was recently a funding announcement for Java 1.5 on FreeBSD on the FreeBSD foundation web site which is good news. I have been looking at the FreeBSD web page to judge how good it is in enticing donations and I think its a bit ordinary, If you go to the entry page of the main FreeBSD web site http://www.freebsd.org its hard to see any sign of a donations page, The donations page is hidden away under the 'about' area. http://www.freebsd.org/about.html which ultimately has a link going to the FreeBSD foundation page http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/ if you want to donate money, personally I don't think thats very good way to entice people to give money to the FreeBSD foundation. If you look at the OpenBSD web site http://www.openbsd.org/ you can see that all they really have on their entry web page is right in the middle front page is the encouragement of buying either CDs/Tshirts or straight donations which is a effective method of encouragement of donations. Some people could be mistaken (or just prefer) to think that FreeBSD foundation don't really care about donations which is not ideal. I think in the main entry FreeBSD web site page there should be an extra tab for "Donations" or even in place of either the "About" or "Support" links. It could be worded in a similar way OpenBSD have it, where it could have more of a guilt factor in there such as 'if your company uses FreeBSD then you are encouraged to give back and donate to the FreeBSD foundation'. I think this is especially true for big companies, I mean I don't know how much Apple or Yahoo give back for using FreeBSD but I think if it isn't large then having a web page that puts a bit of pressure on all of us including big companies to drive a guilt factor could go a long way. I did touch on this topic a little while ago and some one flamed me saying Apple gave a lot back by giving back some source patches to the GCC project, I don't see any argument other then that is more giving back GNU then to directly FreeBSD. Mike From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 17 12:56:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695C816A41F; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:56:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5645643D45; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:56:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from zion.baldwin.cx (zion.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k2HCubPG053620; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:56:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:56:34 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.3 References: <441A35AE.2020108@roq.com> In-Reply-To: <441A35AE.2020108@roq.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200603170756.35937.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1335/Wed Mar 15 23:58:43 2006 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: marketing@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Java 1.5 donations X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:56:45 -0000 On Thursday 16 March 2006 11:06 pm, Michael Vince wrote: > Hi All, > > I been seeing a lot of VM crash reports posted to this mailing list and > I was thinking how it would be great if this project got funding, > everyone knows doing work for reward is better then doing it for free. > I just wanted to state my personal opinion and thoughts about this topic. > I was thinking that methods like Andre Oppermann seem to give a good > example of how a (arguably) small amount of money $18k US can go to > greatly help the FreeBSD project. > http://people.freebsd.org/~andre/tcpoptimization.html > > I was wondering if anyone knew if there was any details such as a time > frame and a rough figure of how much it would cost to get some good > results (or even full Sun Java certification) happening 1.5 Java on > i386/amd64 as I was hoping maybe I could persuade the company I work at > to donate. I also did notice that there was recently a funding > announcement for Java 1.5 on FreeBSD on the FreeBSD foundation web site > which is good news. Yes, the Foundation is the place to donate to for Java 1.5 as they already have experience with Java 1.4 including Sun certification. > I have been looking at the FreeBSD web page to judge how good it is in > enticing donations and I think its a bit ordinary, If you go to the > entry page of the main FreeBSD web site http://www.freebsd.org its hard > to see any sign of a donations page, The donations page is hidden away > under the 'about' area. http://www.freebsd.org/about.html which > ultimately has a link going to the FreeBSD foundation page > http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/ if you want to donate money, > personally I don't think thats very good way to entice people to give > money to the FreeBSD foundation. > If you look at the OpenBSD web site http://www.openbsd.org/ you can see > that all they really have on their entry web page is right in the middle > front page is the encouragement of buying either CDs/Tshirts or straight > donations which is a effective method of encouragement of donations. > Some people could be mistaken (or just prefer) to think that FreeBSD > foundation don't really care about donations which is not ideal. > > I think in the main entry FreeBSD web site page there should be an extra > tab for "Donations" or even in place of either the "About" or "Support" > links. It could be worded in a similar way OpenBSD have it, where it > could have more of a guilt factor in there such as 'if your company uses > FreeBSD then you are encouraged to give back and donate to the FreeBSD > foundation'. I think this is a good idea. I've cc'd marketing@ to see if they can offer some better feedback. > I think this is especially true for big companies, I mean I don't know > how much Apple or Yahoo give back for using FreeBSD but I think if it > isn't large then having a web page that puts a bit of pressure on all of > us including big companies to drive a guilt factor could go a long way. > I did touch on this topic a little while ago and some one flamed me > saying Apple gave a lot back by giving back some source patches to the > GCC project, I don't see any argument other then that is more giving > back GNU then to directly FreeBSD. I can't speak for Apple, but note that Apple isn't running FreeBSD directly, more that they have borrowed bits and pieces of it. The same can be said (though perhaps to a lesser extent) of NetBSD, OpenBSD, and Dragonfly and vice versa (that is, all the *BSD's tend to borrow code from each other). I will say that Yahoo! graciously hosts the freebsd.org cluster including all the bandwidth and power costs, and provides much (most?) of the hardware for the cluster. They also provide some hardware to developers, and employ several committers full time (ps@, mohan@, peter@, etc.). My employer (The Weather Channel) employs me full-time and allows me to spend 80 to 90 percent of my time hacking on FreeBSD as well. Given that, I do think there is evidence of companies providing a lot for FreeBSD even if it isn't very visible. =2D-=20 John Baldwin =A0<>< =A0http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" =A0=3D =A0http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 17 14:08:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3985216A422; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from mh1.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E4643D46; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:08:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from [10.177.171.220] (neutrino.centtech.com [10.177.171.220]) by mh1.centtech.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2HE8srF058296; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:08:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <441AC2F3.6070901@centtech.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:08:51 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060112) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Baldwin References: <441A35AE.2020108@roq.com> <200603170756.35937.jhb@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200603170756.35937.jhb@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1335/Wed Mar 15 22:58:43 2006 on mh1.centtech.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Java 1.5 donations X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:08:56 -0000 John Baldwin wrote: > On Thursday 16 March 2006 11:06 pm, Michael Vince wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I been seeing a lot of VM crash reports posted to this mailing list and >> I was thinking how it would be great if this project got funding, >> everyone knows doing work for reward is better then doing it for free. >> I just wanted to state my personal opinion and thoughts about this topic. >> I was thinking that methods like Andre Oppermann seem to give a good >> example of how a (arguably) small amount of money $18k US can go to >> greatly help the FreeBSD project. >> http://people.freebsd.org/~andre/tcpoptimization.html >> >> I was wondering if anyone knew if there was any details such as a time >> frame and a rough figure of how much it would cost to get some good >> results (or even full Sun Java certification) happening 1.5 Java on >> i386/amd64 as I was hoping maybe I could persuade the company I work at >> to donate. I also did notice that there was recently a funding >> announcement for Java 1.5 on FreeBSD on the FreeBSD foundation web site >> which is good news. >> > > Yes, the Foundation is the place to donate to for Java 1.5 as they already > have experience with Java 1.4 including Sun certification. > > >> I have been looking at the FreeBSD web page to judge how good it is in >> enticing donations and I think its a bit ordinary, If you go to the >> entry page of the main FreeBSD web site http://www.freebsd.org its hard >> to see any sign of a donations page, The donations page is hidden away >> under the 'about' area. http://www.freebsd.org/about.html which >> ultimately has a link going to the FreeBSD foundation page >> http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/ if you want to donate money, >> personally I don't think thats very good way to entice people to give >> money to the FreeBSD foundation. >> If you look at the OpenBSD web site http://www.openbsd.org/ you can see >> that all they really have on their entry web page is right in the middle >> front page is the encouragement of buying either CDs/Tshirts or straight >> donations which is a effective method of encouragement of donations. >> Some people could be mistaken (or just prefer) to think that FreeBSD >> foundation don't really care about donations which is not ideal. >> >> I think in the main entry FreeBSD web site page there should be an extra >> tab for "Donations" or even in place of either the "About" or "Support" >> links. It could be worded in a similar way OpenBSD have it, where it >> could have more of a guilt factor in there such as 'if your company uses >> FreeBSD then you are encouraged to give back and donate to the FreeBSD >> foundation'. >> > > I think this is a good idea. I've cc'd marketing@ to see if they can offer > some better feedback. > > >> I think this is especially true for big companies, I mean I don't know >> how much Apple or Yahoo give back for using FreeBSD but I think if it >> isn't large then having a web page that puts a bit of pressure on all of >> us including big companies to drive a guilt factor could go a long way. >> I did touch on this topic a little while ago and some one flamed me >> saying Apple gave a lot back by giving back some source patches to the >> GCC project, I don't see any argument other then that is more giving >> back GNU then to directly FreeBSD. >> > > I can't speak for Apple, but note that Apple isn't running FreeBSD directly, > more that they have borrowed bits and pieces of it. The same can be said > (though perhaps to a lesser extent) of NetBSD, OpenBSD, and Dragonfly and > vice versa (that is, all the *BSD's tend to borrow code from each other). I > will say that Yahoo! graciously hosts the freebsd.org cluster including all > the bandwidth and power costs, and provides much (most?) of the hardware for > the cluster. They also provide some hardware to developers, and employ > several committers full time (ps@, mohan@, peter@, etc.). My employer (The > Weather Channel) employs me full-time and allows me to spend 80 to 90 > percent of my time hacking on FreeBSD as well. Given that, I do think there > is evidence of companies providing a lot for FreeBSD even if it isn't very > visible. A related question: what's the best way for a company to sponsor work in a certain area or for a particular project? For instance, we could *really* benefit from having journaling in UFS, so I'm sure we'd sponsor the whole, or a majority of, the cost of having a developer (or developers) work this out. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Anything that works is better than anything that doesn't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 17 16:42:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D24316A400 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:42:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A032843D45 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:42:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (john@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k2HGg1ZQ055058; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:42:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: Eric Anderson Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:42:29 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <441A35AE.2020108@roq.com> <200603170756.35937.jhb@freebsd.org> <441AC2F3.6070901@centtech.com> In-Reply-To: <441AC2F3.6070901@centtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200603171142.31726.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1335/Wed Mar 15 23:58:43 2006 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Java 1.5 donations X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:42:11 -0000 On Friday 17 March 2006 09:08, Eric Anderson wrote: > John Baldwin wrote: > > On Thursday 16 March 2006 11:06 pm, Michael Vince wrote: > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I been seeing a lot of VM crash reports posted to this mailing list and > >> I was thinking how it would be great if this project got funding, > >> everyone knows doing work for reward is better then doing it for free. > >> I just wanted to state my personal opinion and thoughts about this topic. > >> I was thinking that methods like Andre Oppermann seem to give a good > >> example of how a (arguably) small amount of money $18k US can go to > >> greatly help the FreeBSD project. > >> http://people.freebsd.org/~andre/tcpoptimization.html > >> > >> I was wondering if anyone knew if there was any details such as a time > >> frame and a rough figure of how much it would cost to get some good > >> results (or even full Sun Java certification) happening 1.5 Java on > >> i386/amd64 as I was hoping maybe I could persuade the company I work at > >> to donate. I also did notice that there was recently a funding > >> announcement for Java 1.5 on FreeBSD on the FreeBSD foundation web site > >> which is good news. > >> > > > > Yes, the Foundation is the place to donate to for Java 1.5 as they already > > have experience with Java 1.4 including Sun certification. > > > > > >> I have been looking at the FreeBSD web page to judge how good it is in > >> enticing donations and I think its a bit ordinary, If you go to the > >> entry page of the main FreeBSD web site http://www.freebsd.org its hard > >> to see any sign of a donations page, The donations page is hidden away > >> under the 'about' area. http://www.freebsd.org/about.html which > >> ultimately has a link going to the FreeBSD foundation page > >> http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/ if you want to donate money, > >> personally I don't think thats very good way to entice people to give > >> money to the FreeBSD foundation. > >> If you look at the OpenBSD web site http://www.openbsd.org/ you can see > >> that all they really have on their entry web page is right in the middle > >> front page is the encouragement of buying either CDs/Tshirts or straight > >> donations which is a effective method of encouragement of donations. > >> Some people could be mistaken (or just prefer) to think that FreeBSD > >> foundation don't really care about donations which is not ideal. > >> > >> I think in the main entry FreeBSD web site page there should be an extra > >> tab for "Donations" or even in place of either the "About" or "Support" > >> links. It could be worded in a similar way OpenBSD have it, where it > >> could have more of a guilt factor in there such as 'if your company uses > >> FreeBSD then you are encouraged to give back and donate to the FreeBSD > >> foundation'. > >> > > > > I think this is a good idea. I've cc'd marketing@ to see if they can offer > > some better feedback. > > > > > >> I think this is especially true for big companies, I mean I don't know > >> how much Apple or Yahoo give back for using FreeBSD but I think if it > >> isn't large then having a web page that puts a bit of pressure on all of > >> us including big companies to drive a guilt factor could go a long way. > >> I did touch on this topic a little while ago and some one flamed me > >> saying Apple gave a lot back by giving back some source patches to the > >> GCC project, I don't see any argument other then that is more giving > >> back GNU then to directly FreeBSD. > >> > > > > I can't speak for Apple, but note that Apple isn't running FreeBSD directly, > > more that they have borrowed bits and pieces of it. The same can be said > > (though perhaps to a lesser extent) of NetBSD, OpenBSD, and Dragonfly and > > vice versa (that is, all the *BSD's tend to borrow code from each other). I > > will say that Yahoo! graciously hosts the freebsd.org cluster including all > > the bandwidth and power costs, and provides much (most?) of the hardware for > > the cluster. They also provide some hardware to developers, and employ > > several committers full time (ps@, mohan@, peter@, etc.). My employer (The > > Weather Channel) employs me full-time and allows me to spend 80 to 90 > > percent of my time hacking on FreeBSD as well. Given that, I do think there > > is evidence of companies providing a lot for FreeBSD even if it isn't very > > visible. > > A related question: what's the best way for a company to sponsor work in > a certain area or for a particular project? For instance, we could > *really* benefit from having journaling in UFS, so I'm sure we'd sponsor > the whole, or a majority of, the cost of having a developer (or > developers) work this out. You can either try to contract this directly or you can work with the Foundation. The advantages of the Foundation approach is that your company might be able to write the donation off, and the Foundation can pool donations from multiple sources to fund someone to do desired work. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 17 18:10:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB3816A400; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:10:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6376543D7F; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:10:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id E03925309; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:10:13 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:10:13 -0600 To: Michael Vince Message-ID: <20060317181013.GA18145@soaustin.net> References: <441A35AE.2020108@roq.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <441A35AE.2020108@roq.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Java 1.5 donations X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:10:19 -0000 On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 03:06:06PM +1100, Michael Vince wrote: > I think in the main entry FreeBSD web site page there should be an extra > tab for "Donations" or even in place of either the "About" or "Support" > links. Although I like the rest of your ideas, and encourage them, as someone who spends a lot of time on support issues (ports and PRs) I really would like to state that the Support tab is very important to have quickly available. It also seems to me that every web front page should have an About tab so people can figure out what/where/why. I would like to see the Donate link more prominent but unfortunately I don't have a concrete suggestion. I hope you can accept this as constructive criticism anyway. > I did touch on this topic a little while ago and some one flamed me > saying Apple gave a lot back by giving back some source patches to the > GCC project Well, sometimes you have to ignore flaming emails :-) As jhb said, there is support coming back from the corporate community, but we're not really doing a good job of telling people that. mcl From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 17 18:36:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2DE16A401 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:36:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from question+advocacy@closedsrc.org) Received: from q.closedsrc.org (q.closedsrc.org [72.1.133.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EFF543D45 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:36:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from question+advocacy@closedsrc.org) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 56E7F45021; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:36:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:36:22 -0800 From: Linh Pham To: Mark Linimon Message-ID: <20060317183621.GA58049@q.internal.closedsrc.org> References: <441A35AE.2020108@roq.com> <20060317181013.GA18145@soaustin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060317181013.GA18145@soaustin.net> Organization: closedsrc.org Mail-Copies-To: poster X-PGP-Key: http://closedsrc.org/~question/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Java 1.5 donations X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:36:23 -0000 --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2006-03-17 12:10 -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: # On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 03:06:06PM +1100, Michael Vince wrote: # > I think in the main entry FreeBSD web site page there should be an extr= a=20 # > tab for "Donations" or even in place of either the "About" or "Support"= =20 # > links. #=20 # Although I like the rest of your ideas, and encourage them, as someone # who spends a lot of time on support issues (ports and PRs) I really would # like to state that the Support tab is very important to have quickly # available. It also seems to me that every web front page should have # an About tab so people can figure out what/where/why. #=20 # I would like to see the Donate link more prominent but unfortunately I # don't have a concrete suggestion. I hope you can accept this as # constructive criticism anyway. I agree that the Donate link probably needs to be a bit more prominent (the current link in the upper-right corner kind of blends in with everything else and my eyes just glean over it). Maybe add it as a tab or "above the fold"... something that kind of popped into my head when thinking about the "Donate" link is that the term "Contribute" may make sure sense, since the project is not only helped by monetary or physical donations, but also contributions of code and volunteering time on documentation, Ports, etc. Then again, my mind doesn't always produce things that make a lot of sense :) --=20 Linh Pham question+advocacy@closedsrc.org http://closedsrc.org/ --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEGwGlwhofDeWkDMIRAmFiAJ9mlqYlfPBUs1UUZbx4tetfrLTAhwCeOc2V szLSkQPD43HVJlRZUK729PY= =wGRN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 18 15:52:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF5416A400 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:52:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from landemaine@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C0643D45 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:52:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from landemaine@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 57so718632wri for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:52:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CsUFDY/IkSP+pg/F5FiqJtVOQkJmJr38JSDfHWKhmtp5X4oz0nWElB/68RCd3IlifYUNPiUnCg0zZwEJkL1qXoecZgTzb1YFtIjKx/m0yZ8GZln6Di9LZ2FG/D3lXJ+WYpHIIhV8Fpl5hb44g35Nwk2vl1VhcZW02omiGPyW86g= Received: by 10.65.112.5 with SMTP id p5mr832664qbm; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:52:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.6 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:52:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:52:01 -0300 From: "Charles A. Landemaine" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Petition! Ask Macromedia for a native Flash Player! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:52:02 -0000 If we want FreeBSD/PC-BSD to thrive, we need more and more support from the big guys. Having a native version of the Flash Player is necessary. But I think it's not so hard to get this release from Macromedia, it just takes a minute to fill out a feature request form: http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=3Dwishform&product= =3D17&6213=3D19 ;) Together we are strong, if you would like to help, please ask Macromedia to release a native FreeBSD Flash plugin. Then, spread the word in BSD forums to ask people to do it too! Please reply to this thread to have a rough idea how many people asked Macromedia for this feature. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 18 17:25:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCD016A401 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:25:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gilbert.fernandes@spamcop.net) Received: from mailgate.cesmail.net (mailgate.cesmail.net [216.154.195.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1590343D45 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:25:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gilbert.fernandes@spamcop.net) Received: (qmail 17770 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 17:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO delta.cesmail.net) (192.168.1.30) by mailgate.cesmail.net with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 17:25:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 22024 invoked by uid 99); 18 Mar 2006 17:25:03 -0000 Received: from stc92-1-87-88-23-125.dsl.club-internet.fr (stc92-1-87-88-23-125.dsl.club-internet.fr [87.88.23.125]) by webmail.spamcop.net (Horde) with HTTP for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:25:03 +0100 Message-ID: <20060318182503.k9e88so8o48w40ww@webmail.spamcop.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:25:03 +0100 From: Gilbert Fernandes To: AK References: <20060224095311.egbk0ss0o888sgo0@webmail.spamcop.net> <20060315093153.GA20820@HP.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <20060315093153.GA20820@HP.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Mall : to hell X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:25:05 -0000 > I ripped them so bad an NT server would look good. A week later I > get a phone call and do to a "problem" they couldn't get back to > me for almost 2 weeks. They finally sent my DVD and a BSD > sticker. They sent me an email with another promise to send me the FreeBSD DVDs. One month later, still nothing. Do not order anything from them. They're a scam. -- unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; find ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; fsck ; umount ; sleep From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 18 20:36:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D5516A41F for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:36:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC7C43D6E for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:36:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([69.27.149.254]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2IKZXut042917; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:35:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <441C6F0B.6080605@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:35:23 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060127 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Charles A. Landemaine" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Petition! Ask Macromedia for a native Flash Player! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:36:57 -0000 Charles A. Landemaine wrote: >If we want FreeBSD/PC-BSD to thrive, we need more and more support from >the big guys. > >Having a native version of the Flash Player is necessary. But I think >it's not so hard to get this release from Macromedia, it just takes a >minute to fill out a feature request form: >http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform&product=17&6213=19 >;) > > >Together we are strong, if you would like to help, please ask >Macromedia to release a native FreeBSD Flash plugin. Then, spread the >word in BSD forums to ask people to do it too! > > >Please reply to this thread to have a rough idea how many people asked >Macromedia for this feature. > > >Thanks. > OK, done, if it helps, so much the better. FWIW, you can use a float, but it must be greater than 0.0 for "product version". Kinda thought that "0.0" might get a point across, but their bounds-checking doesn't allow it. KDK -- People in general do not willingly read if they have anything else to amuse them. -- S. Johnson From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 18 22:41:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B7816A400 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:41:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vijay@umd.edu) Received: from md0.mail.umd.edu (md0.mail.umd.edu [128.8.31.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376E843D6D for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:41:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vijay@umd.edu) Received: from positron.local (c-69-140-158-206.hsd1.md.comcast.net [69.140.158.206]) by md0.mail.umd.edu (MOS 3.5.9-GR) with ESMTP id CCI31316 (AUTH vijay); Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:41:48 -0500 (EST) To: "Charles A. Landemaine" , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: Message-ID: From: "Vijay Kaul" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:44:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera M2/8.51 (MacPPC, build 2182) Cc: Subject: Re: Petition! Ask Macromedia for a native Flash Player! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:41:50 -0000 On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:52:01 -0500, Charles A. Landemaine wrote: > If we want FreeBSD/PC-BSD to thrive, we need more and more support from > the big guys. > > Having a native version of the Flash Player is necessary. But I think > it's not so hard to get this release from Macromedia, it just takes a > minute to fill out a feature request form: > http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform&product=17&6213=19 > ;) > > > Together we are strong, if you would like to help, please ask > Macromedia to release a native FreeBSD Flash plugin. Then, spread the > word in BSD forums to ask people to do it too! > > > Please reply to this thread to have a rough idea how many people asked > Macromedia for this feature. > > > Thanks. Done. (It was easy!) -Vijay > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/