From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 27 00:08:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A70A16A4DD; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:08:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from virtual.micronet.sk (smtp.micronet.sk [84.16.32.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8F143D46; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:08:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67B810E748; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:08:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at virtual.micronet.sk Received: from virtual.micronet.sk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (virtual.micronet.sk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sHrCyhQo3OH6; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:08:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EED10E68A; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:08:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:08:27 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1543787677.20060827020827@rulez.sk> To: Ceri Davies In-Reply-To: References: <1418203821.20060822110342@rulez.sk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Daniel Gerzo , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: merge query-pr.cgi and query-pr-summary.cgi, fix -T mode with new perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:08:26 -0000 Hello Ceri, Saturday, August 26, 2006, 3:49:12 PM, you wrote: > On 22/8/06 10:03, "Daniel Gerzo" wrote: >> I would like you to review this patch. The only drawback I can see >> is that the query-pr-summary.cgi?prnumber does not work with new >> version. It is required to do query-pr-summary.cgi?pr=prnumber >> (which was standard for original version). > Please check the access logs to ensure that this isn't being used elsewhere. > Otherwise I'm afraid that keeping it is highly desirable - what's the > barrier to keeping it working? Fixing this would not really be a problem, I have an idea how to implement this functionality too. I'm waiting now for Simon's review, he denied access to the working script, becase he needs to be sure I have properly treated the user's input and that no dangerous characters are being passed into the command line. -- Best regards, Daniel mailto:danger@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 27 01:42:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F77016A4DD; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from virtual.micronet.sk (smtp.micronet.sk [84.16.32.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEDE143D46; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:42:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923C910E6FD; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:42:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at virtual.micronet.sk Received: from virtual.micronet.sk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (virtual.micronet.sk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zBfKMS-R5aSN; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:42:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080EA10E6A4; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:42:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:42:25 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <2510186921.20060827034225@rulez.sk> To: doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tom Rhodes , Giorgos Keramidas Subject: mount(8) async description X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:42:27 -0000 Hello doc, Milos Vyletel [mv(a)rulez.sk] noticed me about the current description of the async flag for the mount -- we currently have: async All I/O to the file system should be done asynchronously. ` This is a dangerous flag to set, and should not be used unless you are prepared to recreate the file system should your system crash. Firstly, we thought that the last line is wrong, that s/should/after/ would work, but I was told that the current version is proper English. But I still agree with Milos and I don't like the current description, therefore I produced a patch which says: async All I/O to the file system should be done asynchronously. This is a dangerous flag to set, although it increases I/O performance. When this option is used, it is not guaranteed to keep a consistent file system structure on the disk, and it is impossible to verify the integrity of data. It should be used only if some application-spe- cific data recovery mechanism is present, or recreation of the file system is not a problem. I passed this through my mentors, it was OK'd by Tom, but Giorgos says it's too wordy and he likes NetBSD's description: async All I/O to the file system should be done asyn- chronously. In the event of a crash, it is impossible for the system to verify the integrity of data on a file system mounted with this option. You should only use this option if you have an applica- tion-specific data recovery mechanism, or are willing to recreate the file system from scratch. To be complete, OpenBSD has: async All I/O to the file system should be done asynchronously. This is a dangerous flag to set since it does not guaran- tee to keep a consistent file system structure on the disk. You should not use this flag unless you are pre- pared to recreate the file system should your system crash. The most common use of this flag is to speed up restore(8) where it can give a factor of two speed in- crease. Giorgos told me to go through doc@ and ask what other people think. So here it is. What do you think about my description? Would you accept it, or should I trim it a bit? 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References 1. http://mail.jwave.net/ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 27 13:01:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645F716A4DD; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:01:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from mx.nitro.dk (zarniwoop.nitro.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AC444B6D; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:01:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (unknown [192.168.3.39]) by mx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DEE32E40B; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 8E9BA11437; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:01:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:01:23 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Daniel Gerzo Message-ID: <20060827130122.GB1149@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <1418203821.20060822110342@rulez.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1418203821.20060822110342@rulez.sk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: merge query-pr.cgi and query-pr-summary.cgi, fix -T mode with new perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:01:25 -0000 On 2006.08.22 11:03:42 +0200, Daniel Gerzo wrote: > I have produced a patch [1] which combines two cgi scripts -- > query-pr.cgi and query-pr-summary.cgi. It merges functionality of > query-pr.cgi into -summary.cgi, but if we want to commit this I > would recommend to rename query-pr-summary.cgi to query-pr.cgi > (maybe symlink would be even better?) once commited. What exactly is the advantage of combining the two into one CGI script? -- Simon L. Nielsen From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 27 13:41:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E26616A4DA; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:41:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from virtual.micronet.sk (smtp.micronet.sk [84.16.32.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A1943D5F; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:41:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28F710E784; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:40:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at virtual.micronet.sk Received: from virtual.micronet.sk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (virtual.micronet.sk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sotm+jJcSTMx; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:40:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92DF110E781; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:40:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:41:06 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <51457742.20060827154106@rulez.sk> To: "Simon L. Nielsen" In-Reply-To: <20060827130122.GB1149@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <1418203821.20060822110342@rulez.sk> <20060827130122.GB1149@zaphod.nitro.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Daniel Gerzo , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: merge query-pr.cgi and query-pr-summary.cgi, fix -T mode with new perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:41:06 -0000 Hello Simon, Sunday, August 27, 2006, 3:01:23 PM, you wrote: > On 2006.08.22 11:03:42 +0200, Daniel Gerzo wrote: >> I have produced a patch [1] which combines two cgi scripts -- >> query-pr.cgi and query-pr-summary.cgi. It merges functionality of >> query-pr.cgi into -summary.cgi, but if we want to commit this I >> would recommend to rename query-pr-summary.cgi to query-pr.cgi >> (maybe symlink would be even better?) once commited. > What exactly is the advantage of combining the two into one CGI > script? It's not big deal... http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=35647 -- Best regards, Daniel mailto:danger@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 05:19:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE15C16A4DA for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:19:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F8343D46 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:19:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1571311wxd for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:19:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=XtvheKCHsn+VhwV1gr6NJ6RtiV9BVKXHQwNHFfaY9PurAyEDn+AHDMeOBrUg8e53kdW6ckUdvxZIzKPf3kXXjESrWHQuUSri1koKsr0yelbaZNWG8ZHYOD3Fg8bt9BFjzDuiOb2mq1cvELvcnWqaTAInGBVnSilOLvd/AVOuho4= Received: by 10.70.76.11 with SMTP id y11mr8576811wxa; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.49.3 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:19:40 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, "FreeBSD Mailing List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: FreeBSD's minimum memory requirements. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:19:42 -0000 I just tested the minimum memory requirements for FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE through 2.2.9-RELEASE using VMware 5 Workstation: FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE: 4MB, 8MB: Dies at bootstrap loader. 12MB, 16MB: Dies while loading acpi.ko. 20MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 2484K Active, 1396K Iact, 6004K Wired, 680K Cache, 1984K Buf, 348K Free Swap: 7184K Total, 2732K Used, 4452K Free, 38% Inuse FreeBSD 5.5-RELEASE: 4MB, 8MB: Dies at bootstrap loader. 12MB, 16MB: Dies while loading acpi.ko. 20MB: Boots / Sysinstall dies after writing filesystem information. 24MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 2332K Active, 1196K Iact, 9468K Wired, 1136K Cache, 3008K Buf, 840K Free Swap: 32M Total, 2748K Used, 29M Free, 8% Inuse FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE: 4MB: Dies at bootstrap loader. 8MB: Dies while mounting root filesystem. 12MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 1900K Active, 1408K Iact, 2896K Wired, 472K Cache, 1120K Buf, 308K Free Swap: 32M Total, 2576K Used, 29M Free, 7% Inuse FreeBSD 3.5.1-RELEASE: 4MB: Dies at bootstrap loader. 8MB: Boots / Sysinstall dies while extracting files. 12MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 712K Active, 3780K Iact, 2092K Wired, 2024K Cache, 809K Buf, 520K Free Swap: 29M Total, 29M Free FreeBSD 2.2.9-RELEASE: 4MB: Boots / Sysinstall dies while probing devices. 8MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 3764K Active, 432K Iact, 1472K Wired, 244K Cache, 420K Buf, 184K Free Swap: 42M Total, 64K Used, 42M Free I also did a minimum disk space study using FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE back in January: * 1st column of numbers are from the VM disk image file, outside FreeBSD. This is significant because it records the total disk space FreeBSD needed *during* install. * 2nd column is from inside FreeBSD with "du -m" after install. * All numbers reported in megabytes. Distribution Sets: Developer 918 741 X-Developer 1080 882 Kern-Developer 526 427 X-Kern-Developer 690 568 User 393 319 X-User 560 461 Minimal 183 156 Extrapolated Results: Ports System 283 270 GNOME-Lite 688 655 KDE-Lite 879 864 X.Org Default Install 164 143 X.Org Full Install 177 158 Linux Binary Compat. 255 127 Sys Sources + Proflibs 392 315 Kern Sources + Proflibs 133 109 Miscellaneous Sets: X-User (All X.Org) 572 476 X-User + GNOME-Lite 1247 1115 X-User + KDE-Lite 1438 1323 Minimal + Ports System 466 425 Minimal + Linux Compat. 438 282 -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 05:43:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03A416A4DA for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:43:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2246343D45 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:43:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from gothmog.pc (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.7/8.13.7/Debian-2) with ESMTP id k7S5hA5C022602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:43:11 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k7S5hOwd001540; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:43:24 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k7S5hNVA001539; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:43:23 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:43:23 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Daniel Gerzo Message-ID: <20060828054323.GC1411@gothmog.pc> References: <200602211640.k1LGe9UD002587@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200602211640.k1LGe9UD002587@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.149, required 5, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.55, BAYES_00 -2.60, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY 0.00) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/93522: [patch] use rc.d script in example describing how to restart mountd in nework-servers chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:43:27 -0000 On 2006-02-21 16:40, Daniel Gerzo wrote: > I hope that this is fine now ;-) > --- /usr/home/danger/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-servers/chapter.sgml.orig Thu Feb 16 09:44:00 2006 > +++ /usr/home/danger/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-servers/chapter.sgml Sat Feb 18 15:20:53 2006 > @@ -773,13 +773,16 @@ > /exports -alldirs -maproot=root client01 client02 > /exports/obj -ro > > - You must restart > - mountd whenever you modify > - /etc/exports so the changes can take effect. > - This can be accomplished by sending the HUP signal > - to the mountd process: > + The mountd must be forced to > + recheck the /etc/exports file whenever it > + has been modified, so the changes can take effect. This can be > + accomplished by invoking the mountd > + &man.rc.8; script with the appropriate parameter: > > - &prompt.root; kill -HUP `cat /var/run/mountd.pid` > + &prompt.root; /etc/rc.d/mountd reload > + > + Refer to for more > + information about using rc scripts. I think it is better to use either "mountd must be ..." or "The mountd daemon must be...", but not what starts the newly added stuff above. The order of the first sentence is slightly untasteful (the result (having to restart mountd) precedes its cause (a change in the /etc/exports file)). The use of "it" is also a bit confusing. Does "it" refer to mountd or to the file? Maybe we can use something like this? + Every time a change is applied to the + /etc/exports file, the + mountd daemon must be forced to + recheck this file for changes. This can be accomplished by + invoking the mountd &man.rc.8; script + with the appropriate parameter: + + &prompt.root; /etc/rc.d/mountd reload + + Please refer to for + more information about using rc scripts, + like /etc/rc.d/mountd. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 09:07:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 796E116A4DD; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:07:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from virtual.micronet.sk (smtp.micronet.sk [84.16.32.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036DA43D49; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:07:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DAB10E792; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:07:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at virtual.micronet.sk Received: from virtual.micronet.sk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (virtual.micronet.sk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kHWkJs3QVgAI; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:07:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833E010E791; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:07:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:07:58 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1893310735.20060828110758@rulez.sk> To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <20060828054323.GC1411@gothmog.pc> References: <200602211640.k1LGe9UD002587@freefall.freebsd.org> <20060828054323.GC1411@gothmog.pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re[2]: docs/93522: [patch] use rc.d script in example describing how to restart mountd in nework-servers chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:07:56 -0000 Hello Giorgos, Monday, August 28, 2006, 7:43:23 AM, you wrote: > I think it is better to use either "mountd must be ..." or "The mountd > daemon must be...", but not what starts the newly added stuff above. > The order of the first sentence is slightly untasteful (the result > (having to restart mountd) precedes its cause (a change in the > /etc/exports file)). > The use of "it" is also a bit confusing. Does "it" refer to mountd or > to the file? HEY, isn't this PR already closed? ;-)) > Maybe we can use something like this? > + Every time a change is applied to the > + /etc/exports file, the > + mountd daemon must be forced to > + recheck this file for changes. This can be accomplished by > + invoking the mountd &man.rc.8; script > + with the appropriate parameter: > + > + &prompt.root; /etc/rc.d/mountd reload > + > + Please refer to for > + more information about using rc scripts, > + like /etc/rc.d/mountd. -- Best regards, Daniel mailto:danger@rulez.sk From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 11:06:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8925216A4DF for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:06:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2962743D8E for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:06:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (linimon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7SB6HbV070607 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:06:17 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k7SB6GeG070603 for DOC; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:06:16 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:06:16 GMT Message-Id: <200608281106.k7SB6GeG070603@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: linimon set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Cc: Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:06:58 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The problem is understood and a solution is being sought. f - feedback Further work requires additional information from the originator or the community - possibly confirmation of the effectiveness of a proposed solution. p - patched A patch has been committed, but some issues (MFC and / or confirmation from originator) are still open. r - repocopy The resolution of the problem report is dependent on a repocopy operation within the CVS repository which is awaiting completion. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on, due to lack of information or resources. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested -- or when fixing the problem is abandoned. Critical problems Serious problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o docs/27605 doc [patch] Cross-document references () s docs/35678 doc docproj Makefiles for web are broken for paths with sp o docs/36168 doc -pthread/_THREAD_SAFE docs missing in gcc(1) info (& _ o docs/60679 doc [patch] pthread(3): pthreads documentation does not de o docs/61605 doc [feature request] Improve documentation for i386 disk s docs/72285 doc gcc(1) manuals are out of sync o docs/72897 doc ERRATA and RELNOTES are missing warnings about sil0680 o docs/78154 doc [PATCH] Make en_US FreeBSD Handbook more compliant wit o docs/78357 doc getaddrinfo(3)'s AI_ADDRCONFIG not documented o docs/80843 doc [patch] psm(4): Suggested fix for psm0 / handle driver f docs/82296 doc ttys(5) man page misleads about use for non-getty proc o docs/84932 doc new document: printing with an Epson ALC-3000N on Free o docs/95262 doc Correction to handbook section 26.5.20 Port Redirectio o docs/95263 doc Correction to handbook section 26.5.21.3 FTP NAT Proxy o docs/95265 doc Correction to handbook section 26.5.16 IPNAT Rules o docs/98115 doc Missing parts after rendering handbook to RTF format o docs/98541 doc tun man page references obsolite ioctl o docs/100328 doc the first paragraph of config(8) is deeply misleading o docs/100803 doc the man page about ithread is expired. 19 problems total. Non-critical problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- s docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags in the sourc o docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o docs/26286 doc *printf(3) etc should gain format string warnings a docs/30008 doc [patch] French softupdates document should be translat s docs/31109 doc [patch] replace gif images w/ png ones due to patent l s docs/33589 doc [patch] to doc.docbook.mk to post process .tex files. a docs/35011 doc There are no commands called "diskless" or "jail". o docs/35222 doc [patch] getmsg.cgi: mailing list archive URL regexp su o docs/35608 doc mt(1) page uses "setmark" without explanation. o docs/35609 doc mt(1) page needs explanation of "long erase". o docs/35612 doc ps(1) page "state" description doesn't mention "spread o docs/35943 doc at(1) config files are misplaced in /var/at/ o docs/35953 doc hosts.equiv(5) manual is confusing or wrong about host o docs/36432 doc Proposal for doc/share/mk: make folded books using psu o docs/36449 doc symlink(7) manual doesn't mention trailing slash, etc. o docs/38620 doc suggestion: minor rework of question in Committers Gui o docs/38982 doc [patch] developers-handbook/Jail fix o docs/39348 doc diskless(8): note that kenv fetch of hostname requires o docs/39530 doc access(2) man page has unnecessarily broad warning o docs/40423 doc Keyboard(4)'s definition of parameters to GETFKEY/SETF o docs/41089 doc pax(1) -B option does not mention interaction with -z o docs/41807 doc [patch] natd(8): document natd -punch_fw "bug" o docs/41820 doc Device driver confusion in Handbook (section 2.3) o docs/43651 doc stab(5) incorrectly states to include just stab.h when o docs/43823 doc [PATCH] update to environ(7) manpage o docs/43861 doc non-trivial typo in wicontrol(8) man page o docs/43941 doc document the Rationale for Upgrade Sequence (e.g. why o docs/44074 doc [patch] ln(1) manual clarifications o docs/44594 doc Handbook doesn't mention drivers.flp for 5.0 installs o docs/45940 doc burncd(1) missing info o docs/46196 doc [patch] menu_format(3): Missing return value in (set_) o docs/46291 doc correlation between HZ kernel config parameter and soc o docs/46295 doc please add information to Nvi recovery email o docs/47594 doc [PATCH] passwd(5) incorrectly states allowed username o docs/47818 doc [patch] ln(1) manpage is confusing o docs/48101 doc [patch] add documentation on the fixit disk to the FAQ o docs/48980 doc [patch] nsgmls -s errors and sect. 3.2.1 of the fdp-pr o docs/50211 doc [PATCH] doc.docbook.mk: fix textfile creation o docs/50573 doc resolver(3): return values for res_query/res_search/re o docs/51875 doc [patch] atkbd(4) adjustment o docs/51891 doc DIAGNOSTICS in ed(4) driver manpage don't match realit o docs/51921 doc [patch] ls(1) manpage lacks some information about whi o docs/52071 doc [PATCH] Add more information about soft updates into a o docs/53575 doc Change to Handbook Section 20.9 (SMTP Authentication) o docs/53596 doc Updates to mt(1) manual page o docs/53732 doc quota output and quota(1) man page do not document uni o docs/54451 doc [patch] i386_get_ldt(2): i386_{get|set}_ldt manual pag o docs/54879 doc jot(1) -r description s docs/55482 doc document the fact that DUMP has access to block device o docs/57153 doc S_IRWXU missing in fstat(2) man page? o docs/57388 doc [patch] INSTALL.TXT enhancement: mention ok prompt o docs/57569 doc error on gensetdefs(8) man page o docs/57926 doc [patch] amd.conf(5) poorly format as it has both man(7 o docs/57974 doc man page apropos for select macros (FD_SET, etc) doesn o docs/58710 doc killpg(2) contains an error regarding sending SIGCONT o docs/59044 doc [patch] doc.docbook.mk does not properly handle a sour o docs/59477 doc Outdated Info Documents at http://docs.freebsd.org/inf o docs/59835 doc ipfw(8) man page does not warn about accepted but mean o docs/60529 doc resolver(5) man page is badly out of date o docs/60544 doc [patch] getenv(3) manpage doesn't state the return val o docs/61070 doc handbook: Installation docs misleading: PResizer isn' o docs/61301 doc [patch] Manpage patch for aue(4) to enable HomePNA fun o docs/61667 doc Obsolete documentation on FreeBSD PnP o docs/61859 doc ddb(4): Incorrect informaiton about trace command ddb o docs/62412 doc one of the diskless boot methods described in the Hand o docs/62719 doc cross-reference pccardd(8) and devd(8) o docs/62724 doc [patch] host(1) manpage does not include information a o docs/63215 doc Wrong prototypes in mi_switch(9) (ref docs/24311) o docs/64807 doc Handbook section on NAT incomplete o docs/65065 doc [patch] improper language ntpd(8) man pages o docs/65477 doc release notes: installation instruction fail to mentio o docs/65530 doc [patch] minor improvement to getgrent(3) o docs/66265 doc [patch] Document what -f and LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS_F o docs/66296 doc [patch] contrib/amd/amq/amq.8 uses log_options instead o docs/66343 doc [patch] unlisted supported card on man page for wi(4) o docs/66483 doc [patch] share/man/man4/csa.4 grammar nits o docs/66770 doc [patch] share/man/man4/ng_pppoe.4 tyops, grammar, and o docs/67078 doc [patch] MFC of a rtld(1) man page is incomplete. f docs/67806 doc [patch] Let 5.x users know how to boot into single use o docs/68843 doc Dates on rc.subr(8) & rc(8) are whack. o docs/68845 doc The .At macro produces unexpected results o docs/69861 doc [patch] usr.bin/csplit/csplit.1 does not document POSI o docs/70217 doc [patch] Suggested rewrite of docproj/sgml.sgml for cla o docs/71555 doc handbook: changes for how to run matlab on 5.2 o docs/71690 doc [patch] inaccurate information in systat(1) manpage f docs/71980 doc Handbook says that no other software is known to be ab o docs/72383 doc manpage for awk(1) is terribly small and loses importa o docs/73583 doc [patch] add missing instructions to ndis(4) o docs/73638 doc ipfw(8): Clarify syntax for use of tables with ipfw o docs/73679 doc FreeBSD 5.3 Release notes mention new natd(8) function o docs/74477 doc [patch] Correct several links in the contributing arti o docs/74612 doc [patch] updates to the glossary o docs/75068 doc login.conf(5) manual page says nothing about a hashed o docs/75577 doc [patch] typos in man3 manual pages, login_class.3, log o docs/75865 doc comments on "backup-basics" in handbook o docs/75995 doc hcreate(3) documentation(?) bug o docs/76094 doc handbook: incorrect statement about partition d o docs/76333 doc [patch] ferror(3): EOF indicator can be cleared by not o docs/76515 doc [patch] misleading use of make -j flag in handbook o docs/77087 doc [patch] the bootvinum script given in the vinum articl o docs/78041 doc [patch] docs for md(4) need further explanation of typ o docs/78138 doc [patch] Error in pre-installation section of installat o docs/78240 doc [patch] handbook: replace with aroun f docs/78440 doc POSIX semaphores don't work by default in 5.3-STABLE o docs/78480 doc Networked printer setup unnecessarily complex in handb o docs/78520 doc error in man(5) lpd.conf, lpd.perms pages, and man(8) o docs/78915 doc rfork(2)'s RFTHREAD is not documented o docs/79156 doc buffersize knob for sound(4) is a tunable, not a sysct o docs/80159 doc [patch] rtld(1) mentions "%m" but it's not implemented o docs/80871 doc terminfo(5) man page source corrupted o docs/81776 doc ifconfig(8) man page not updated with carp(4) or pfsyn o docs/82114 doc ndisapi(9) manual page cross-referenced but does not e o docs/82508 doc misleading man page for basename(3)/dirname(3) o docs/82595 doc 25.5.3 Configuring a bridge section of the handbook ne o docs/82779 doc [patch] Kill entry for ddb manpage o docs/83621 doc [patch]: Minor omissions in /usr/src/UPDATING p docs/84101 doc [patch] mt(1) manpage has erroneous synopsis, etc. o docs/84154 doc Handbook somewhat off in use of /boot/kernel.old o docs/84265 doc [patch] chmod(1) manpage omits implication of setting p docs/84266 doc [patch] security(8) manpage should have init(8)'s list o docs/84267 doc [patch] chflags(1) manual doesn't say it's affected by o docs/84268 doc chmod(1) manpage's BUGS entry is either wrong or too c o docs/84317 doc fdp-primer doesn't show class=USERNAME distinctively o docs/84408 doc [patch] dump(8) manpage doesn't require an option and o docs/84467 doc [patch] bsdlabel(8) manpage uses archaic "pack" in "ap s docs/84519 doc [patch] mdoc(7) manpage needs more about AUTHORS o docs/84549 doc [patch] errno(2) manpage uses "<...>" for "(..)" s docs/84550 doc mdoc(7) manpage erroneously requires SYNOPSIS section o docs/84645 doc intro(6) manpage should always be installed or ... o docs/84670 doc [patch] tput(1) manpage missing ENVIRONMENT section wi o docs/84764 doc [patch] hosts.equiv(5) manpage should SEE ALSO netgrou o docs/84806 doc mdoc(7) manpage has section ordering problems o docs/84849 doc [patch] fdisk(8) manpage doesn't warn fdisk doesn't re o docs/84913 doc bsdlabel(8) manpage seems wrong about fsize, bsize, bp o docs/84955 doc [patch] mdoc(7) manpage should mention missing documen o docs/84956 doc [patch] intro(5) manpage doesn't mention API coverage o docs/85062 doc [patch] tr(1) manpage omits several character classes o docs/85063 doc [patch] expand(1) manpage needs to clarify -t option o docs/85066 doc [patch] builtin(1) manpage has incomplete SYNOPSIS sec o docs/85097 doc [patch] devd.conf.5 lacks a lot of vital information. o docs/85100 doc NOTES: ICH audio device support statement is ambiguous o docs/85118 doc [PATCH] opiekey(1) references non-existing opiegen(1) o docs/85127 doc [patch] loader(8) manpage uses too-rare "depuration" o docs/85128 doc loader.conf(5) autoboot_delay incompletly described o docs/85186 doc [patch] ktrace(1) manpage doesn't warn about need for o docs/85187 doc [patch] find(1) manpage missing block info for -ls o docs/85243 doc Missing icmp related abbreviations for pf.conf(5) in i o docs/85353 doc [patch] minor cosmetic/punctuation changes for the GEO o docs/86342 doc bikeshed entry of Handbook is wrong o docs/86733 doc [patch] handbook: add using kldload as an alternative o docs/87857 doc ifconfig(8) wireless options order matters o docs/87936 doc Handbook chapter on NIS/YP lacks good information on a o docs/88477 doc Possible addition to xl(4) manpage, Diagnostics sectio o docs/88503 doc mkuzip(8) references nonexistant geom_uzip(4) o docs/88512 doc [patch] mount_ext2fs(8) man page has no details on lar o docs/89325 doc [PATCH] Clarification of kbdmap(5), atkbd(4) and kbdco o docs/89492 doc vfs doc: some VOP_*(9) manual pages are outdated with o docs/89747 doc [PATCH] faq: s/kbd0/ukbd0/ when USB keyboard is connec o docs/91149 doc read(2) can return EINVAL for unaligned access to bloc o docs/91297 doc restore(8) man page not accurate? o docs/91506 doc ndis(4) man page should be more specific about support o docs/92626 doc jail manpage should mention disabling some periodic sc o docs/93249 doc rewrite of handbook chapter 23 (PPP & SLIP) o docs/93363 doc Handbook 23.11. SMTP-Authentifizierung o docs/93491 doc discrepancy man page for pam_unix(8) f docs/93517 doc Presented usage of Ports in Handbook lacks several imp o docs/93590 doc [patch] pf.conf's man page mentions route labels, but o docs/94125 doc DGE-530T doesn't work on FreeBSD v6.0 o docs/94625 doc [patch] growfs man page -- document "panic: not enough o docs/94803 doc Slightly confusing/misleading man page for `ffs' funct o docs/95039 doc [patch] small cosmetic syslog.conf(5) fix o docs/95104 doc tsleep() man page mentions nonexistent 'mtx' arg o docs/95139 doc FAQ to move filesystem to new disk fails: incorrect pe o docs/96127 doc add hint to pass arp packets through filtering bridge o docs/96207 doc Comments of a sockaddr_un structure could confuse one o docs/97231 doc [patch] ndis(4) man page outdated o docs/97375 doc [PATCH] remove nonexistent man page reference o docs/97409 doc Incorrect command name in Kerberos section (k5init doe o docs/97939 doc some mistake in man of amq(8) o docs/98129 doc older versions of the handbook not easy to find o docs/98801 doc [patch] gmirror(8) and glabel(8) manpages should menti o docs/98842 doc misc requests for gdbe o docs/98941 doc Partitioning resize - only commercial product availabl o docs/98974 doc Missing tunables in loader(8) manpage o docs/99007 doc [patch] misleading nat configuration info o docs/99215 doc Documentation change for sshd_config o docs/99336 doc Unclear handbook wording about firewall_enable o docs/99356 doc man page of sendmsg(2) does not include EINVAL o docs/99506 doc FreeBSD Handbook addition: IPv6 Server Settings o docs/99631 doc [patch] document jid option in top(1) o docs/99640 doc [patch] Replace ${JADEFLAGS} with the corresponding va o docs/99715 doc [patch] add exception to 6.5 Using perl o docs/99768 doc [patch] Handbook 25.9 make_smbpasswd is useless to map o docs/99831 doc grep(1): grep -P is unsupported (according to grep) bu o docs/99845 doc [patch] First introduce porttools to Porter's Handbook o docs/99912 doc Wrong documentation of /etc/ftpchroot o docs/100083 doc missing pthread_yield man page o docs/100196 doc man login.conf does explain not "unlimited" o docs/100242 doc sysctl(3) description of KERN_PROC is not correct anym o docs/100494 doc Missing description of "birth time of the inode" in ma o docs/100538 doc [PATCH] en_US: Correct handbook/install (update the bo o docs/100764 doc Handbook addition request -- MIT kerberos o docs/101001 doc out of date documentation in the handbook on Chapter 1 o docs/101145 doc msgsnd(3) manpage doesn't define msgsz clearly o docs/101262 doc man login.conf does not mention how to escape a colon o docs/101271 doc serial console documentation implies kernel rebuild re o docs/101464 doc sync u_RU.KOI8-R/articles/portbuild/article.html with o docs/101564 doc man 4 random has a URL as reference o docs/102118 doc [patch sbin/ifconfig/ifconfig.8] Add -v to the descrip o docs/102185 doc Error in ntpd(8) manpage. o docs/102334 doc Handbook and man pages for firewalls are inconsistent o docs/102542 doc [patch] books/handbook/l10n/chapter.sgml 212 problems total. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 11:12:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED0B16A4DE; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:12:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from mx.nitro.dk (zarniwoop.nitro.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7986343DA7; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:12:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (unknown [192.168.3.39]) by mx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94C732E424; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id B77F411437; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:12:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:12:24 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Nikolas Britton Message-ID: <20060828111223.GD983@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: FreeBSD's minimum memory requirements. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:12:51 -0000 On 2006.08.28 00:19:40 -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: > I just tested the minimum memory requirements for FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE > through > 2.2.9-RELEASE using VMware 5 Workstation: I been thinking of doing these tests myself but never gotten around to it. I think you should file this information as a docs PR so it doesn't get lost. I'm not exactly sure where to put this information (probably in the FAQ somewhere), but it's certainly useful to have around. Thanks for doing these tests! (Note: I don't know when I will find time to get this into some docs, so if anybody else is interested in this please just go forward :-) ). -- Simon L. Nielsen From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 13:07:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282D516A4DD; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:07:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D54F43D4C; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:07:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 28 Aug 2006 09:05:00 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,175,1154923200"; d="scan'208"; a="287849489:sNHT23721380" Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.7.5a-GA) with ESMTP id GUK79948; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 65-78-24-149.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([65.78.24.149]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 28 Aug 2006 09:04:48 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,175,1154923200"; d="scan'208"; a="265982913:sNHT105538588" From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17650.59852.644745.531650@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:04:12 -0400 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20060828111223.GD983@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <20060828111223.GD983@zaphod.nitro.dk> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta27) "fiddleheads" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090206.44F2E8C2.0044,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.4/2006-05-04 Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD's minimum memory requirements. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:07:24 -0000 Simon L. Nielsen writes: > > I just tested the minimum memory requirements for FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE > > through > > 2.2.9-RELEASE using VMware 5 Workstation: > > I been thinking of doing these tests myself but never gotten around to > it. I think you should file this information as a docs PR so it > doesn't get lost. Seconded. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 16:26:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF92716A4DD; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:26:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F99E43D6E; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:26:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04D65D27; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:26:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B4CAVoJbsHYw; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.103.21.238] (pan.codefab.com [199.103.21.238]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCA85C5F; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:26:13 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20060828111223.GD983@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <20060828111223.GD983@zaphod.nitro.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Charles Swiger Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:26:12 -0400 To: Simon L. Nielsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Nikolas Britton Subject: Re: FreeBSD's minimum memory requirements. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:26:19 -0000 On Aug 28, 2006, at 7:12 AM, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > On 2006.08.28 00:19:40 -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: >> I just tested the minimum memory requirements for FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE >> through 2.2.9-RELEASE using VMware 5 Workstation: > > Thanks for doing these tests! Seconded (or thirded). > (Note: I don't know when I will find time to get this into some docs, > so if anybody else is interested in this please just go forward :-) ). I'm willing to do the SGML markup, so I can take this one. This information should be used to update the FAQ 3.4 & 3.5 entries, and/ or add a section in chapter 4 with the details...? Nikolas, are you OK with this? -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 16:28:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A9216A4DD; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:28:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B1E43D78; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:28:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 68E7A2CF8; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:28:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:28:52 -0500 To: Charles Swiger Message-ID: <20060828162852.GA27387@soaustin.net> References: <20060828111223.GD983@zaphod.nitro.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Nikolas Britton , "Simon L.Nielsen" Subject: Re: FreeBSD's minimum memory requirements. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:28:53 -0000 My own preference would be to either see it in the Handbook, or as a separate (short) article. mcl From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 16:53:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180DF16A4DD; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:53:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61E143D4C; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:53:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD2E5D27; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:53:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id luOo6dtkbzCb; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.103.21.238] (pan.codefab.com [199.103.21.238]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 158BB5CE0; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:53:51 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20060828162852.GA27387@soaustin.net> References: <20060828111223.GD983@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20060828162852.GA27387@soaustin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4FD954C1-2AD4-4753-A4C1-71FC82CC2A82@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Charles Swiger Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:53:49 -0400 To: Mark Linimon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Nikolas Britton , "Simon L.Nielsen" Subject: Re: FreeBSD's minimum memory requirements. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:53:56 -0000 On Aug 28, 2006, at 12:28 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: > My own preference would be to either see it in the Handbook, or as a > separate (short) article. Turning the email into a short article would be OK by me; otherwise, where would it go into the Handbook, section 2.10? Earlier? Regardless, I also think FAQ 3.4 & 3.5 should be updated to reflect reality. :-) -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 16:55:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFEC16A590; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:55:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B1943D45; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:55:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from gothic.blackend.org (gothic.blackend.org [192.168.1.203]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k7SGtpPd037289; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:55:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from gothic.blackend.org (localhost.blackend.org [127.0.0.1]) by gothic.blackend.org (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k7SGtow1074192; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:55:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@gothic.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by gothic.blackend.org (8.13.6/8.13.3/Submit) id k7SGtjLK074191; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:55:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:55:45 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Mark Linimon Message-ID: <20060828165545.GC709@gothic.blackend.org> Mail-Followup-To: Mark Linimon , Charles Swiger , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Nikolas Britton , "Simon L.Nielsen" References: <20060828111223.GD983@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20060828162852.GA27387@soaustin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060828162852.GA27387@soaustin.net> X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Nikolas Britton , "Simon L.Nielsen" Subject: Re: FreeBSD's minimum memory requirements. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:55:53 -0000 On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 11:28:52AM -0500, Mark Linimon wrote: > My own preference would be to either see it in the Handbook, or as a > separate (short) article. > If there is a place where this information is missing it's in the release hardware notes, it's an obvious place to look for this sort of information. If you read http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.1R/hardware-i386.html there's nothing about the minimum amount of RAM. We should really add that information in all next release hardware notes. (It would be possible to ask the Handbook reader to just look at the hardware notes of his FreeBSD version, it's in some ways already the case: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-supported-hardware.html We will just need to add a sentence regarding the amount of necessary RAM, in fact just a link pointing to the related section of the hardware notes, this will avoid outdated information.) Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 17:16:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF2A16A4DA for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:16:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55C543D49 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:16:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1756545wxd for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:16:21 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OPrhJcPe35fQtn6xr0L/OIpSdz+8oCVDt0k3GZR2Jvze/I3ob/Tmgk14IuLo2KLkjlr839SqP+HjdJNbDyp7MRNPxWIjNZJGVYBi2rqB7GhmhEw82+wjNXC2mT3a+E0VhAtgQAUGk7nCmQDvb2s87k7G+ZC2S95LzORUKfZrG0Q= Received: by 10.70.99.11 with SMTP id w11mr9697274wxb; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.49.3 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:16:20 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Charles Swiger" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060828111223.GD983@zaphod.nitro.dk> Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: FreeBSD's minimum memory requirements. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:16:22 -0000 On 8/28/06, Charles Swiger wrote: > On Aug 28, 2006, at 7:12 AM, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > > On 2006.08.28 00:19:40 -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: > >> I just tested the minimum memory requirements for FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE > >> through 2.2.9-RELEASE using VMware 5 Workstation: > > > > Thanks for doing these tests! > > Seconded (or thirded). > > > (Note: I don't know when I will find time to get this into some docs, > > so if anybody else is interested in this please just go forward :-) ). > > I'm willing to do the SGML markup, so I can take this one. This > information should be used to update the FAQ 3.4 & 3.5 entries, and/ > or add a section in chapter 4 with the details...? > > Nikolas, are you OK with this? > Yep... knock yourself out. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 17:18:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD02F16A4DD for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:18:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B67643D49 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:18:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1757122wxd for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:18:21 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IwZy1Tdp7FksQ2UrAEOQ1FOEiLDvqZtb1hUbqZ2sBGjnNwSAneRLLebT3vc06XZgIXJJbd2bKfOA5CRwPz18g7VXbfeJ3v3vbWRrSbfe1Q9+hwiyfdl5Vbkr/GclLmX87/fUjbDX/FoOj+B0Ca9yWAeD7BTm2QFraP7v7NQmFXY= Received: by 10.70.67.4 with SMTP id p4mr9688583wxa; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.49.3 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:18:20 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Mark Linimon" , "Charles Swiger" , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, "Nikolas Britton" , "Simon L.Nielsen" In-Reply-To: <20060828165545.GC709@gothic.blackend.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060828111223.GD983@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20060828162852.GA27387@soaustin.net> <20060828165545.GC709@gothic.blackend.org> Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD's minimum memory requirements. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:18:22 -0000 On 8/28/06, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 11:28:52AM -0500, Mark Linimon wrote: > > My own preference would be to either see it in the Handbook, or as a > > separate (short) article. > > > > If there is a place where this information is missing it's in the release > hardware notes, it's an obvious place to look for this sort of > information. It's the first place I looked. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 17:23:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A2516A51F; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:23:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from virtual.micronet.sk (smtp.micronet.sk [84.16.32.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287F943D46; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:23:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706B910E642; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:23:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at virtual.micronet.sk Received: from virtual.micronet.sk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (virtual.micronet.sk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kCsy5sbpHhMq; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:23:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0A810E621; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:23:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:23:45 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1132282936.20060828192345@rulez.sk> To: Marc Fonvieille In-Reply-To: <20060828165545.GC709@gothic.blackend.org> References: <20060828111223.GD983@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20060828162852.GA27387@soaustin.net> <20060828165545.GC709@gothic.blackend.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mark Linimon , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Nikolas Britton , "Simon L.Nielsen" Subject: Re[2]: FreeBSD's minimum memory requirements. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:23:51 -0000 Hello Marc, Monday, August 28, 2006, 6:55:45 PM, you wrote: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 11:28:52AM -0500, Mark Linimon wrote: >> My own preference would be to either see it in the Handbook, or as a >> separate (short) article. >> > If there is a place where this information is missing it's in the release > hardware notes, it's an obvious place to look for this sort of > information. > If you read http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.1R/hardware-i386.html > there's nothing about the minimum amount of RAM. We should really add > that information in all next release hardware notes. I would vote for this option too. -- Best regards, Daniel mailto:danger@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 17:33:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CE216A4DA for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from mx.nitro.dk (zarniwoop.nitro.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E194143D64 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:33:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (unknown [192.168.3.39]) by mx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F6032E449; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:33:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 0367A1141D; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:32:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:32:59 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Mark Linimon , Charles Swiger , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Nikolas Britton Message-ID: <20060828173258.GA1033@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <20060828111223.GD983@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20060828162852.GA27387@soaustin.net> <20060828165545.GC709@gothic.blackend.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060828165545.GC709@gothic.blackend.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD's minimum memory requirements. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:33:02 -0000 On 2006.08.28 18:55:45 +0200, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 11:28:52AM -0500, Mark Linimon wrote: > > My own preference would be to either see it in the Handbook, or as a > > separate (short) article. > > > > If there is a place where this information is missing it's in the release > hardware notes, it's an obvious place to look for this sort of > information. > If you read http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.1R/hardware-i386.html > there's nothing about the minimum amount of RAM. We should really add > that information in all next release hardware notes. Well, the problem is the information for the older releases, which I also find interesting to have around somewhere, and since there won't be more releases from the old branches then we can't really stick the information in the hardware notes for those cases. I think it's fine to add RAM requirement to current release notes, if somebody in the futire makes sure it's actually still correct... -- Simon L. Nielsen From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 17:37:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DAA16A4DA for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:37:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from mx.nitro.dk (zarniwoop.nitro.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A978543D93 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:36:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (unknown [192.168.3.39]) by mx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9925632E432; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 8A71C1141D; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:36:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:36:56 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Mark Linimon Message-ID: <20060828173655.GB1033@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <20060828111223.GD983@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20060828162852.GA27387@soaustin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060828162852.GA27387@soaustin.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Nikolas Britton Subject: Re: FreeBSD's minimum memory requirements. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:37:07 -0000 On 2006.08.28 11:28:52 -0500, Mark Linimon wrote: > My own preference would be to either see it in the Handbook, or as a > separate (short) article. The reason I didn't suggest Handbook initially is since it's (more or less) only for 5.5/6.1. A separate article seems a bit overkill to me. (Note: I'm not going to object to people sticking this info in the handbook or in a seperate article, this is just IMO.) -- Simon L. Nielsen From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 17:54:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7798116A4DF for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:54:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83DC43D64 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:53:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1767377wxd for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:53:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HiqoCD5mn+RtKeg/FhmVgvv3ZuJlB6aGk5Lxazi8uaYuLTtP66GvABHTGrOOyrT5xXCyr04KfvBzNfFzq4zUypxcMo77MLKj5AiTkcGAP5GlLemmG7ldGJydT9q317ylZUXiPJv+DDJOw8JnNn+mWGm7NGmhWlJnJYRxw4VqjZM= Received: by 10.70.122.13 with SMTP id u13mr9705301wxc; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.49.3 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:53:44 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Charles Swiger" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060828111223.GD983@zaphod.nitro.dk> Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: FreeBSD's minimum memory requirements. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:54:12 -0000 On 8/28/06, Nikolas Britton wrote: > On 8/28/06, Charles Swiger wrote: > > On Aug 28, 2006, at 7:12 AM, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > > > On 2006.08.28 00:19:40 -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > >> I just tested the minimum memory requirements for FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE > > >> through 2.2.9-RELEASE using VMware 5 Workstation: > > > > > > Thanks for doing these tests! > > > > Seconded (or thirded). > > > > > (Note: I don't know when I will find time to get this into some docs, > > > so if anybody else is interested in this please just go forward :-) ). > > > > I'm willing to do the SGML markup, so I can take this one. This > > information should be used to update the FAQ 3.4 & 3.5 entries, and/ > > or add a section in chapter 4 with the details...? > > > > Nikolas, are you OK with this? > > > > Yep... knock yourself out. > If you can think of anything else now is the time to speak up. It should be stressed that these memory requirements set the floor... Not all distribution sets and/or packages on the disc will install using the minimum amount of ram, for example kde-lite and gnome-lite packages will hang sysinstall unless you have 64MB ~ 128MB of ram, I did not thoroughly test this so speak up now and I'll get you some numbers to work with. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 18:18:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FEAC16A4DA for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:18:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgusenet@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F3543D55 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:18:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lgusenet@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 27260 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2006 18:18:08 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 28 Aug 2006 18:18:08 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 875C028449; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:18:07 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <20060828111223.GD983@zaphod.nitro.dk> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:18:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Nikolas Britton's message of "Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:53:44 -0500") Message-ID: <44zmdorag0.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: FreeBSD's minimum memory requirements. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:18:09 -0000 nikolas.britton@gmail.com (Nikolas Britton) writes: > If you can think of anything else now is the time to speak up. It > should be stressed that these memory requirements set the floor... Not > all distribution sets and/or packages on the disc will install using > the minimum amount of ram, for example kde-lite and gnome-lite > packages will hang sysinstall unless you have 64MB ~ 128MB of ram, I > did not thoroughly test this so speak up now and I'll get you some > numbers to work with. And on the other side of the scale, custom install disks could work with smaller amounts of RAM. The amount of effort to test this escalates rapidly, however, and I don't consider it worth that effort; but it may be worth mentioning in the text. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 20:19:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D4916A4DA; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:19:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from mx.nitro.dk (zarniwoop.nitro.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9788643D45; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:19:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (unknown [192.168.3.39]) by mx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5BE732E449; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id A71131141D; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:19:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:19:45 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Daniel Gerzo Message-ID: <20060828201944.GE1033@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <1418203821.20060822110342@rulez.sk> <20060827130122.GB1149@zaphod.nitro.dk> <51457742.20060827154106@rulez.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51457742.20060827154106@rulez.sk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: merge query-pr.cgi and query-pr-summary.cgi, fix -T mode with new perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:19:49 -0000 On 2006.08.27 15:41:06 +0200, Daniel Gerzo wrote: > Sunday, August 27, 2006, 3:01:23 PM, you wrote: > > > On 2006.08.22 11:03:42 +0200, Daniel Gerzo wrote: > > >> I have produced a patch [1] which combines two cgi scripts -- > >> query-pr.cgi and query-pr-summary.cgi. It merges functionality of > >> query-pr.cgi into -summary.cgi, but if we want to commit this I > >> would recommend to rename query-pr-summary.cgi to query-pr.cgi > >> (maybe symlink would be even better?) once commited. > > > What exactly is the advantage of combining the two into one CGI > > script? > > It's not big deal... > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=35647 Hey, Ah, I did seem to recall the suggestion from somewhere. I generally like keeping the CGI scripts as simple as possible - it makes them easier to read and modify. Especially scripts which do multiple tasks based on how they are called have a tendency to get more complicated than needed (at least that's my experience). >From my reading of the PR the problem is mainly that we have two different HTML pages to look up a PR by number and to search. A much simpler way to solve this would IMO be to have one HTML page with both forms which then simply submits to the right CGI script. This could either be a seperate HTML page or the form could just included in query-pr-summery.cgi. How does that sound instead of completely merging the scripts? -- Simon L. Nielsen From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 28 21:13:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7775D16A4DE; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:13:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from virtual.micronet.sk (smtp.micronet.sk [84.16.32.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9F343D45; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:13:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985F810E6D5; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:13:25 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at virtual.micronet.sk Received: from virtual.micronet.sk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (virtual.micronet.sk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PNi9sFFSkKc9; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:13:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA81610E6D1; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:13:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:13:30 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1404701031.20060828231330@rulez.sk> To: "Simon L. Nielsen" In-Reply-To: <20060828201944.GE1033@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <1418203821.20060822110342@rulez.sk> <20060827130122.GB1149@zaphod.nitro.dk> <51457742.20060827154106@rulez.sk> <20060828201944.GE1033@zaphod.nitro.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Daniel Gerzo , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: merge query-pr.cgi and query-pr-summary.cgi, fix -T mode with new perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:13:39 -0000 Hello Simon, Monday, August 28, 2006, 10:19:45 PM, you wrote: > On 2006.08.27 15:41:06 +0200, Daniel Gerzo wrote: >> Sunday, August 27, 2006, 3:01:23 PM, you wrote: >> > What exactly is the advantage of combining the two into one CGI >> > script? >> >> It's not big deal... >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=35647 > Hey, > Ah, I did seem to recall the suggestion from somewhere. Yeah, that PR is there for a long time, I wanted to get rid of it. > I generally like keeping the CGI scripts as simple as possible - it > makes them easier to read and modify. Especially scripts which do > multiple tasks based on how they are called have a tendency to get > more complicated than needed (at least that's my experience). I see your point and I basically agree with you. On the other hand, I can say that the merge didn't really made the the script complicatged. There is only one condition which decides if we are looking for exact PR or we are querying GNATS for PRs with specified conditions. > From my reading of the PR the problem is mainly that we have two > different HTML pages to look up a PR by number and to search. A much > simpler way to solve this would IMO be to have one HTML page with both > forms which then simply submits to the right CGI script. This could > either be a seperate HTML page or the form could just included in > query-pr-summery.cgi. > How does that sound instead of completely merging the scripts? I can't say it sounds bad to me, after all it's pretty good idea. - where would we place that form? - do we want to seek for referencies of these scripts in our docs and update them to refer to the new form? It would be not problem for me to do it this way, but as far as I have merged these scripts, I'm going to stand by my work :-) Of course, I'm open for discussions and if we prefer this or the other way, just let me know and I will undergo the steps needed, and get this worked out. So people, please tell me your suggestions and let me work the way that will be efficient! :) Anyway, the working cgi is available now at the url posted in the first email (the security review was required first). I have also implemented the query-pr-summary.cgi?www/12345 queries to have the merge complete. -- Best regards, Daniel mailto:danger@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 29 03:32:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A5416A4DA; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:32:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AA043D49; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:32:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from gothmog.pc (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.7/8.13.7/Debian-2) with ESMTP id k7T3VdFi028850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:31:42 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k7T3Vq9N010569; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:31:52 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k7T3Vppj010568; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:31:51 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:31:51 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Simon L. Nielsen" Message-ID: <20060829033151.GA10533@gothmog.pc> References: <20060828111223.GD983@zaphod.nitro.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060828111223.GD983@zaphod.nitro.dk> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.131, required 5, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.53, BAYES_00 -2.60, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY 0.00) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Nikolas Britton Subject: Re: FreeBSD's minimum memory requirements. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:32:16 -0000 On 2006-08-28 13:12, "Simon L. Nielsen" wrote: > On 2006.08.28 00:19:40 -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > I just tested the minimum memory requirements for FreeBSD > > 6.1-RELEASE through 2.2.9-RELEASE using VMware 5 Workstation: > > I been thinking of doing these tests myself but never gotten around to > it. I think you should file this information as a docs PR so it > doesn't get lost. Good idea. > I'm not exactly sure where to put this information (probably in the > FAQ somewhere), but it's certainly useful to have around. The installation chapter of the Handbook seems like a reasonably nice spot to have information like this. Perhaps a preface section like: + Hardware Requirements for Installing FreeBSD - Disk space - Physical memory > Thanks for doing these tests! Indeed, thanks Nikolas :) From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 29 05:28:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC5116A4E9 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:28:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7486343D49 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:27:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.pc (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.7/8.13.7/Debian-2) with ESMTP id k7T5Rih0001677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:27:45 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k7T5RvwB013794; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:27:58 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k7T5RvHr013793; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:27:57 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:27:57 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Daniel Gerzo Message-ID: <20060829052757.GB11469@gothmog.pc> References: <200602211640.k1LGe9UD002587@freefall.freebsd.org> <20060828054323.GC1411@gothmog.pc> <1893310735.20060828110758@rulez.sk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1893310735.20060828110758@rulez.sk> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.844, required 5, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.25, BAYES_00 -2.60, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY 0.00) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/93522: [patch] use rc.d script in example describing how to restart mountd in nework-servers chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:28:04 -0000 On 2006-08-28 11:07, Daniel Gerzo wrote: > Hello Giorgos, > > Monday, August 28, 2006, 7:43:23 AM, you wrote: > > > I think it is better to use either "mountd must be ..." or "The mountd > > daemon must be...", but not what starts the newly added stuff above. > > > The order of the first sentence is slightly untasteful (the result > > (having to restart mountd) precedes its cause (a change in the > > /etc/exports file)). > > > The use of "it" is also a bit confusing. Does "it" refer to mountd or > > to the file? > > HEY, isn't this PR already closed? ;-)) Yes. I mailed out the comments when offline, and then found out (after I had network access again) that they were obsolete anyway. Sorry about that :) From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 29 09:52:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F9A16A4DD for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:52:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from orvind@mail.ru) Received: from f61.mail.ru (f61.mail.ru [194.67.57.95]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B0143D45 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:52:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from orvind@mail.ru) Received: from mail by f61.mail.ru with local id 1GI0Gp-000N8u-00 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:52:35 +0400 Received: from [87.118.223.146] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:52:35 +0400 From: =?koi8-r?Q?=E1=CE=D4=CF=CE_=E8=CF=C8=CC=CF=D7?= To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [87.118.223.146] Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:52:35 +0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Subject: Installing Matlab 7.0 and Femlab 3.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?koi8-r?Q?=E1=CE=D4=CF=CE_=E8=CF=C8=CC=CF=D7?= List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:52:38 -0000 Hi, I'm a newby in this mailing list so I'm sorry if something is wrong with my letter. Yesterday I tried to install Matlab 7.0 with the help of the correspondent FreeBSD handbook's section. I've found out that the section is incomplete and allows to install and run Matlab with the -nojvm option enabled which disables X-based gui and some other features. In addition for my work I need a FEMLAB toolbox for Matlab (since some time ago it is called COMSOL Multiphysics toolbox), but I could not find any manual for that anywhere in the internet. So I wrote a short instruction of how to do that. I hope someone could fix my english mistakes and append the instruction to FreeBSD handbook. Installing Matlab 7.0 1. Follow the steps 10.5.1,10.5.2 and 10.5.4 of the FreeBSD handbook (Installing Matlab section). It seems you don't need to perform step 10.5.5 when installing Matlab 7.0. Don't touch $MATLAB/sys/java/jre/glnx86 as it is described in 10.5.3! Since now you can run Matlab in the text mode only (option -nojvm will be enabled automatically when Matlab starting). 2. In order to run Matlab GUI you need to install the following ports (or binary packages): linux_base, linux-glib2, linux-xorg-libs, linux_dri and linux-openmotif. 3. Delete all files from $MATLAB/sys/os/glnx86 and $MATLAB/sys/opengl/lib, type as root: ln -s /compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so.3 $MATLAB/sys/os/glnx86/libXm.so.2 ln -s /compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 $MATLAB/sys/opengl/lib/glnx86/libGL.so ln -s /compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so.1 $MATLAB/sys/opengl/lib/glnx86/libGLU.so ln -s $MATLAB/sys/opengl/lib/libMesaGL.so $MATLAB/sys/opengl/lib/glnx86/libGL.so ln -s $MATLAB/sys/opengl/lib/libMesaGLU.so $MATLAB/sys/opengl/lib/glnx86/libGLU.so 4. Done! Note, after completing step 3 check that created links point to the existent libraries. If some links are broken, go to your /compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib folder and fix them by creating symbolic links to your version of libXm.so.*, libGL.so.* and libGLU.so.* Installing Femlab 3.1 1. Execute Femlab installer with /compat/linux/bin/sh ./install or just with ./install and complete the installation process. Point to Matlab installation path when asked (if Matlab is needed). 2. Open $FEMLAB/bin/femlab and find the line containing Linux*. Add FreeBSD* there. It's 231st line for me. Before: linux*|Linux*) After: linux*|Linux*|FreeBSD*) If you need to run Femlab standalone (without connection to Matlab), you may skip steps 3-4 and go to 5. 3. Fetch java3d-sdk-1.3.1-linux-i386.bin or later version from anywhere. I've installed java/java3d port first and then copied the file from /usr/ports/distfiles. Unpack the file (just run with /bin/sh and accept the agreement), copy contents of created jre/lib folder to $MATLAB/sys/java/jre/glnx86/jre1.5.0/lib. 4. Check that your hostname is correct and that the correspondent line in /etc/hosts exist, add the line in opposite case. 5. Create Femlab startup script in /usr/local/bin/ #!/bin/sh /compat/linux/bin/sh $WHERE_FEMLAB_IS_INSTALLED/bin/femlab "$@" 6. Enjoy ;) Yours, Anton Khokhlov From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 29 10:00:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68F516A4DA for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:00:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tahzeem@galleon.eu.com) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D9F43D49 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:00:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tahzeem@galleon.eu.com) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GI0OQ-0001sA-HJ for doc@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:00:26 +0100 Received: from [80.195.171.77] (helo=galleon.eu.com) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GI0OO-0003bn-Nb for doc@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:00:24 +0100 Received: from 192.168.0.14 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:59:34 +0100 Message-ID: <44F40FFF.1010209@galleon.eu.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:59:27 +0100 From: Tahzeem Akhtar User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Link Request X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:00:28 -0000 Dear Webmaster, My name is Tahzeem and I am the link builder for Galleon Systems http://www.galsys.co.uk. 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Many Thanks Tahzeem Akhtar tahzeem@galleon.eu.com +44 (0) 121 608 4433 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 29 17:35:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC27F16A4DD for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:35:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lothrandil@n00b.apagnu.se) Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7AF43D46 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:35:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lothrandil@n00b.apagnu.se) Received: from [81.229.124.17] (81.229.124.17) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 44F471DC00002E9A for doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:35:03 +0200 Message-ID: <44F47AC3.2080102@n00b.apagnu.se> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:34:59 +0200 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070800030604090003060203" Cc: Subject: [PATCH] nitpicking in src/usr.bin/vgrind/vgrind.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:35:04 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070800030604090003060203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! I came over a few mistakes/typos in vgrind.1 while reading it through. I also reworded a sentence so, I think, it makes more sense. Here's the patch! Regards! //Niclas -- --------------070800030604090003060203 Content-Type: text/plain; name="vgrind.1.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="vgrind.1.diff" --- /usr/src/usr.bin/vgrind/vgrind.1 Tue Jan 18 14:43:55 2005 +++ vgrind.1 Tue Aug 29 17:19:35 2006 @@ -32,7 +32,7 @@ .\" @(#)vgrind.1 8.1 (Berkeley) 6/6/93 .\" $FreeBSD: src/usr.bin/vgrind/vgrind.1,v 1.14 2005/01/18 13:43:55 ru Exp $ .\" -.Dd June 6, 1993 +.Dd August 29, 2006 .Dt VGRIND 1 .Os .Sh NAME @@ -48,16 +48,16 @@ .Op Fl l Ns Ar language .Op Fl n .Op Fl p Ar postproc -.Op Fl sn +.Op Fl s Ar point size .Op Fl t .Op Fl x .Ar name Ar ... .Sh DESCRIPTION The .Nm -utility formats the program sources which are arguments -in a nice style using -.Xr troff 1 +utility formats the program sources specified as arguments +on the command line in a nice style using +.Xr troff 1 . Comments are placed in italics, keywords in bold face, and the name of the current function is listed down the margin of each page as it is encountered. @@ -158,7 +158,7 @@ to post-process the output, .Xr psroff 1 by default. -.It Fl s +.It Fl s Ar size specifies a point size to use on output (exactly the same as the argument of a .ps) .It Fl t --------------070800030604090003060203-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 29 18:12:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5F516A4DA for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:12:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joseph.koshy@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F6943D46 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:12:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joseph.koshy@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so1267240nzn for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:12:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fka1lFdEvCvsKS1TbLG1ZVG4p7Jr6KPLTXgJR95W8NQJTcERYgnXd8LriXbhWVyLDRRLzTp9n7qeHBr+HyYC5MUO5d5Jt1CI3citrlhgALo0MUHo/UpSqSHRDYAkzhki/xCm45VRI6U8mqX/vC0BRO/3ZXdCJajNJ8x2QmhHdBs= Received: by 10.65.98.4 with SMTP id a4mr8860715qbm; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.178.14 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <84dead720608291112xdc98290lba37634f1c48a8b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:42:40 +0530 From: "Joseph Koshy" To: "Niclas Zeising" In-Reply-To: <44F47AC3.2080102@n00b.apagnu.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44F47AC3.2080102@n00b.apagnu.se> Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] nitpicking in src/usr.bin/vgrind/vgrind.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:12:43 -0000 > I came over a few mistakes/typos in vgrind.1 while reading > it through. > I also reworded a sentence so, I think, it makes more sense. > Here's the patch! > Regards! Patch applied, thanks! -- FreeBSD Volunteer, http://people.freebsd.org/~jkoshy From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 29 19:34:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432BB16A4DA for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:34:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lothrandil@n00b.apagnu.se) Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.159]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E518A43D45 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:34:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lothrandil@n00b.apagnu.se) Received: from [81.229.124.17] (81.229.124.17) by pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 44F1FA59000A9140 for doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:34:04 +0200 Message-ID: <44F496A4.8020706@n00b.apagnu.se> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:33:56 +0200 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Close pr docs/41820 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:34:05 -0000 Looking through old open PR:s in the database, I came acrossp pr docs/41820 ( http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=docs/41820 ) which can be closed. The PR brings up issues regarding the installation instructions in section 2.3 of the handbook. That section of the handbook has been rewritten since, and I can't find the issue the pr-originator mentions. Regards! //Niclas -- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 29 19:40:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3B016A4DF; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:40:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816F043D46; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:40:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7TJejcF003910; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:40:45 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k7TJejEe003906; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:40:45 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:40:45 GMT From: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <200608291940.k7TJejEe003906@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jdunham@m3designinc.com, remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/41820: Device driver confusion in Handbook (section 2.3) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:40:45 -0000 Synopsis: Device driver confusion in Handbook (section 2.3) State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: remko State-Changed-When: Tue Aug 29 19:39:46 UTC 2006 State-Changed-Why: The section had been rewritten and the information cannot be found any longer. Reported by: Niclas Zeising on freebsd-doc Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->remko Responsible-Changed-By: remko Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Aug 29 19:39:46 UTC 2006 Responsible-Changed-Why: Grab the PR since I closed it, so I should be responsible. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=41820 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 29 19:41:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C96716A4DF for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:41:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9E143D45 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:41:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by caelis.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F94092FD3D; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:41:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org ([217.148.169.59]) by localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10915-07; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:41:06 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:41:08 +0200 From: Remko Lodder To: Niclas Zeising , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Close pr docs/41820 Thread-Index: AcbLoxKrUVuwUTeWEduvLAANk0a1gA== In-Reply-To: <44F496A4.8020706@n00b.apagnu.se> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by the elvandar.org maildomain Cc: Subject: Re: Close pr docs/41820 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:41:07 -0000 Hi Niclas, I closed the PR. Thanks for the mentioning! Cheers, remko On 8/29/06 9:33 PM, "Niclas Zeising" wrote: > Looking through old open PR:s in the database, I came acrossp pr > docs/41820 ( http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=docs/41820 ) > which can be closed. The PR brings up issues regarding the installation > instructions in section 2.3 of the handbook. That section of the > handbook has been rewritten since, and I can't find the issue the > pr-originator mentions. > Regards! > //Niclas -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org FreeBSD ** remko@FreeBSD.org /* Quis custodiet ipsos custodes */ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 29 20:15:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B3616A4DE for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:15:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lothrandil@n00b.apagnu.se) Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.159]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C9B43D4C for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:15:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lothrandil@n00b.apagnu.se) Received: from [81.229.124.17] (81.229.124.17) by pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 44F1FA59000ABD8B for doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:15:15 +0200 Message-ID: <44F4A047.5080504@n00b.apagnu.se> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:15:03 +0200 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Close pr docs/67078 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:15:17 -0000 I think pr docs/67078 can be closed. The pr mentions a MFC from Freebsd 5.2.1 to FreeBSD 4.10-RC3 which has gone slightly wrong. Since RELENG_4 is pretty much at the end of things, and the change is already in all branches from RELENG_5, I think the issue is no more. Regards! //Niclas -- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 29 20:23:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577E516A4DE for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:23:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lothrandil@n00b.apagnu.se) Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0498243D45 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:23:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lothrandil@n00b.apagnu.se) Received: from [81.229.124.17] (81.229.124.17) by pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 44EDA0BC00163AB4 for doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:23:33 +0200 Message-ID: <44F4A233.9090600@n00b.apagnu.se> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:23:15 +0200 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Apply patch in docs/65065 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:23:34 -0000 In pr docs/65065 there is mentioned some inappropriate language choise. In the audit trail of the pr there is a patch to change that wording. I think the wording should be changed as the patch suggested, and the change merged to RELENG_6 and 5. Regards! //Niclas -- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 29 22:01:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4E716A4E6; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:01:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A6A43D49; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:01:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (danger@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7TM1Teq016379; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:01:29 GMT (envelope-from danger@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from danger@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k7TM1Sq4016375; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:01:28 GMT (envelope-from danger) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:01:28 GMT From: Daniel Gerzo Message-Id: <200608292201.k7TM1Sq4016375@freefall.freebsd.org> To: danger@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, danger@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/65065: [patch] improper language ntpd(8) man pages X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:01:29 -0000 Synopsis: [patch] improper language ntpd(8) man pages Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->danger Responsible-Changed-By: danger Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Aug 29 22:01:05 UTC 2006 Responsible-Changed-Why: I will take care of this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=65065 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 29 22:02:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD2916A4DD for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:02:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from virtual.micronet.sk (smtp.micronet.sk [84.16.32.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6096C43D70 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:01:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0992A10E6DF; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:01:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at virtual.micronet.sk Received: from virtual.micronet.sk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (virtual.micronet.sk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75XV7UhwkIGl; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:01:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id E798210E6CB; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:01:44 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:01:56 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <763746992.20060830000156@rulez.sk> To: Niclas Zeising In-Reply-To: <44F4A233.9090600@n00b.apagnu.se> References: <44F4A233.9090600@n00b.apagnu.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apply patch in docs/65065 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:02:06 -0000 Hello Niclas, Tuesday, August 29, 2006, 10:23:15 PM, you wrote: > In pr docs/65065 there is mentioned some inappropriate language choise. > In the audit trail of the pr there is a patch to change that wording. I > think the wording should be changed as the patch suggested, and the > change merged to RELENG_6 and 5. > Regards! > //Niclas I will take care, thanks for reminder! -- Best regards, Daniel mailto:danger@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 30 08:43:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38A516A50A; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:43:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lothrandil@n00b.apagnu.se) Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.159]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C361F43D8B; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:43:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lothrandil@n00b.apagnu.se) Received: from [81.229.124.17] (81.229.124.17) by pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 44F1FA59000CC8F1; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:43:32 +0200 Message-ID: <44F54F9D.8080506@n00b.apagnu.se> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:43:09 +0200 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Gerzo References: <44F4A233.9090600@n00b.apagnu.se> <763746992.20060830000156@rulez.sk> In-Reply-To: <763746992.20060830000156@rulez.sk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apply patch in docs/65065 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:43:45 -0000 Daniel Gerzo wrote: > Hello Niclas, > > Tuesday, August 29, 2006, 10:23:15 PM, you wrote: > >> In pr docs/65065 there is mentioned some inappropriate language choise. >> In the audit trail of the pr there is a patch to change that wording. I >> think the wording should be changed as the patch suggested, and the >> change merged to RELENG_6 and 5. >> Regards! >> //Niclas > > I will take care, thanks for reminder! > Great! Thanks! //Niclas -- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 30 10:09:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C957116A4DA; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:09:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mdmay74@internode.on.net) Received: from ash25e.internode.on.net (ash25e.internode.on.net [203.16.214.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E69843D45; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:09:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mdmay74@internode.on.net) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ppp122-228.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net [121.44.122.228]) by ash25e.internode.on.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k7UA9Ul6027847; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:39:31 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from mdmay74@internode.on.net) Message-ID: <44F5643A.9010908@internode.on.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:41:06 +0930 From: Matthew May User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051215) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <20060827120052.1ECD416A514@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20060827120052.1ECD416A514@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: mount(8) async description X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:09:34 -0000 Hi Daniel, Daniel wrote: > > Hello doc, > > Milos Vyletel [mv(a)rulez.sk] noticed me about the current > description of the async flag for the mount -- we currently have: > > async All I/O to the file system should be done asynchronously. > ` This is a dangerous flag to set, and should not be used > unless you are prepared to recreate the file system > should your system crash. > > > Firstly, we thought that the last line is wrong, that > s/should/after/ would work, but I was told that the current version > is proper English. > > But I still agree with Milos and I don't like the current > description, therefore I produced a patch which says: > > async All I/O to the file system should be done asynchronously. > This is a dangerous flag to set, although it increases > I/O performance. When this option is used, it is not > guaranteed to keep a consistent file system structure on > the disk, and it is impossible to verify the integrity of > data. It should be used only if some application-spe- > cific data recovery mechanism is present, or recreation > of the file system is not a problem. > > I passed this through my mentors, it was OK'd by Tom, but Giorgos > says it's too wordy and he likes NetBSD's description: > > async All I/O to the file system should be done asyn- > chronously. In the event of a crash, it is > impossible for the system to verify the integrity of > data on a file system mounted with this option. You > should only use this option if you have an applica- > tion-specific data recovery mechanism, or are willing > to recreate the file system from scratch. > > To be complete, OpenBSD has: > > async All I/O to the file system should be done asynchronously. > This is a dangerous flag to set since it does not guaran- > tee to keep a consistent file system structure on the > disk. You should not use this flag unless you are pre- > pared to recreate the file system should your system > crash. The most common use of this flag is to speed up > restore(8) where it can give a factor of two speed in- > crease. > > Giorgos told me to go through doc@ and ask what other people think. > So here it is. What do you think about my description? Would you > accept it, or should I trim it a bit? Or just pick the NetBSD's one > and commit? > > -- Best regards, Daniel mailto:danger@FreeBSD.org I haven't posted to this list before, but I've been lurking for a while. I'm working on getting my system set up so that I can contribute as well, but for the moment: For what it's worth, I think NetBSD's description is pretty good. (That's from an English language point of view as well as from a lack of ambiguity / confusion point of view :-) As far as OpenBSD's description goes, I'm happy with the meaning but slightly unsure about the English language aspects of "... it does not guarantee to keep a consistent file system structure ...". That doesn't strike me as being very "nice" English, but it seems pretty clear what it actually means. If a sentence like that is considered necessary, I wonder if this would be nicer: This is a dangerous flag to set since it does not guaran- tee that the file system structure on the disk will remain consistent. You should not use this flag unless you are pre- I'm trying to think of nicer ways to say it, which are still unambiguous and don't use more words than are already used, and I'm finding it difficult. My 2c :-) MAtt. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 30 10:27:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA1816A4DF; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:27:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B09143D46; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:27:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7UARqdv076491; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:27:52 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k7UARq16076487; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:27:52 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:27:52 GMT From: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <200608301027.k7UARq16076487@freefall.freebsd.org> To: CQG00620@nifty.ne.jp, remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/67078: [patch] MFC of a rtld(1) man page is incomplete. X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:27:53 -0000 Synopsis: [patch] MFC of a rtld(1) man page is incomplete. State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: remko State-Changed-When: Wed Aug 30 10:26:12 UTC 2006 State-Changed-Why: ~ And now the end is near. closed the PR with the argumentation of niclas (which i do support since our main scope is 5.X,6.X at the moment): I think pr docs/67078 can be closed. The pr mentions a MFC from Freebsd 5.2.1 to FreeBSD 4.10-RC3 which has gone slightly wrong. Since RELENG_4 is pretty much at the end of things, and the change is already in all branches from RELENG_5, I think the issue is no more. Reported by: Niclas Zeising on freebsd-doc http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=67078 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 30 10:28:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E8116A4DA for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:28:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8195C43D49 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:28:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by caelis.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD21F92FDDD; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:28:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org ([217.148.169.59]) by localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03519-04; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:28:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44F56844.8040800@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:28:20 +0200 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Macintosh/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Niclas Zeising References: <44F4A047.5080504@n00b.apagnu.se> In-Reply-To: <44F4A047.5080504@n00b.apagnu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by the elvandar.org maildomain Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Close pr docs/67078 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: remko@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:28:17 -0000 Niclas Zeising wrote: > I think pr docs/67078 can be closed. The pr mentions a MFC from Freebsd > 5.2.1 to FreeBSD 4.10-RC3 which has gone slightly wrong. Since RELENG_4 > is pretty much at the end of things, and the change is already in all > branches from RELENG_5, I think the issue is no more. > Regards! > //Niclas The PR had been closed, we focus on 5.X and 6.X so I think you are right about this. Thanks for the report! -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org FreeBSD ** remko@FreeBSD.org /* Quis custodiet ipsos custodes */ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 30 12:54:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B433F16A4DE for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:54:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lothrandil@n00b.apagnu.se) Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D53543D5A for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:54:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lothrandil@n00b.apagnu.se) Received: from [90.224.60.58] (90.224.60.58) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 44F471DC00044B4C for doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:54:15 +0200 Message-ID: <44F58A71.2000400@n00b.apagnu.se> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:54:09 +0200 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Close PR docs/44594 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:54:16 -0000 The pr docs/44594 can be closed. It mentions the lack of description of drivers.flp when doing an install from floppies. drivers.flp has been removed when the FreeBSD bootstrapper was made to support booting from multiple floppies, which makes this pr obsolete. Regards! //Niclas -- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 30 13:16:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F38016A4DA; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:16:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A15143D4C; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:16:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (danger@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7UDGRZV099124; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:16:27 GMT (envelope-from danger@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from danger@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k7UDGR9J099120; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:16:27 GMT (envelope-from danger) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:16:27 GMT From: Daniel Gerzo Message-Id: <200608301316.k7UDGR9J099120@freefall.freebsd.org> To: bmah@freebsd.org, danger@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/44594: Handbook doesn't mention drivers.flp for 5.0 installs X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:16:28 -0000 Synopsis: Handbook doesn't mention drivers.flp for 5.0 installs State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: danger State-Changed-When: Wed Aug 30 13:10:33 UTC 2006 State-Changed-Why: Close this PR as we don't ship drivers.flp any more for the latest releases from 4.x, 5.x or 6.x. drivers.flp has been removed when the FreeBSD bootstrapper was made to support booting from multiple floppies Pointed out by: Niclas Zeising http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=44594 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 30 13:16:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDE516A4E2; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:16:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2796843D46; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:16:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (danger@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7UDGmS4099174; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:16:48 GMT (envelope-from danger@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from danger@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k7UDGlIr099170; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:16:47 GMT (envelope-from danger) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:16:47 GMT From: Daniel Gerzo Message-Id: <200608301316.k7UDGlIr099170@freefall.freebsd.org> To: danger@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, danger@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/44594: Handbook doesn't mention drivers.flp for 5.0 installs X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:16:48 -0000 Synopsis: Handbook doesn't mention drivers.flp for 5.0 installs Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->danger Responsible-Changed-By: danger Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Aug 30 13:16:33 UTC 2006 Responsible-Changed-Why: Make me responsible. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=44594 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 30 13:17:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAC716A4DF for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:17:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from virtual.micronet.sk (smtp.micronet.sk [84.16.32.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E7443D46 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:17:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D982910E610; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:16:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at virtual.micronet.sk Received: from virtual.micronet.sk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (virtual.micronet.sk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SWKJeqNQYGUq; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:16:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC6010E604; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:16:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:17:11 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1546102919.20060830151711@rulez.sk> To: Niclas Zeising In-Reply-To: <44F58A71.2000400@n00b.apagnu.se> References: <44F58A71.2000400@n00b.apagnu.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Close PR docs/44594 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:17:14 -0000 Hello Niclas, Wednesday, August 30, 2006, 2:54:09 PM, you wrote: > The pr docs/44594 can be closed. It mentions the lack of description of > drivers.flp when doing an install from floppies. drivers.flp has been > removed when the FreeBSD bootstrapper was made to support booting from > multiple floppies, which makes this pr obsolete. > Regards! > //Niclas Thank you for another one :) -- Best regards, Daniel mailto:danger@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 30 13:27:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF2F16A4DA; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:27:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lothrandil@n00b.apagnu.se) Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.159]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD5343D78; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:27:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lothrandil@n00b.apagnu.se) Received: from [90.224.60.58] (90.224.60.58) by pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 44F1FA59000E47EC; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:27:04 +0200 Message-ID: <44F5921F.5070703@n00b.apagnu.se> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:26:55 +0200 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Gerzo References: <44F58A71.2000400@n00b.apagnu.se> <1546102919.20060830151711@rulez.sk> In-Reply-To: <1546102919.20060830151711@rulez.sk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Close PR docs/44594 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:27:14 -0000 Daniel Gerzo wrote: > Hello Niclas, > > Wednesday, August 30, 2006, 2:54:09 PM, you wrote: > >> The pr docs/44594 can be closed. It mentions the lack of description of >> drivers.flp when doing an install from floppies. drivers.flp has been >> removed when the FreeBSD bootstrapper was made to support booting from >> multiple floppies, which makes this pr obsolete. >> Regards! >> //Niclas > > Thank you for another one :) > No problems :) Just glad to be able to help. //Niclas -- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 30 13:40:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC0916A4DA for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:40:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lothrandil@n00b.apagnu.se) Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1C143D72 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:40:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lothrandil@n00b.apagnu.se) Received: from [90.224.60.58] (90.224.60.58) by pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 44F2F2F7000AEF30 for doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:40:48 +0200 Message-ID: <44F59550.7040106@n00b.apagnu.se> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:40:32 +0200 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Apply patch in PR docs/66483 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:40:52 -0000 In PR docs/66483 there is a small patch to change the wording of csa(4). I think the patch can be applied, because the wording is much clearer. The patch applies to RELENG_[4,5,6] and CURRENT. Regards! //Niclas -- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 31 06:10:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8619916A4EA for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:10:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5156543D46 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:10:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7V6AE7R099422 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:10:14 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k7V6ADL2099421; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:10:13 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:10:13 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200608310610.k7V6ADL2099421@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Eugene Grosbein Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0168E16A4DA for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:06:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sa@nkz.delikates-nk.ru) Received: from nkz.delikates-nk.ru (nkz.delikates-nk.ru [81.16.143.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38F543D4C for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:06:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sa@nkz.delikates-nk.ru) Received: from nkz.delikates-nk.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nkz.delikates-nk.ru (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7V6637V004582 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:06:04 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from sa@nkz.delikates-nk.ru) Received: (from root@localhost) by nkz.delikates-nk.ru (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k7V663Vm004581; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:06:03 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from sa) Message-Id: <200608310606.k7V663Vm004581@nkz.delikates-nk.ru> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:06:03 +0800 (KRAST) From: Eugene Grosbein To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Cc: Subject: docs/102719: [patch] ng_bpf(4) example leads to unneeded promiscuos mode activation X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:10:19 -0000 >Number: 102719 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [patch] ng_bpf(4) example leads to unneeded promiscuos mode activation >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Aug 31 06:10:12 GMT 2006 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Eugene Grosbein >Release: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE i386 >Organization: Svyaz Service JSC >Environment: System: FreeBSD nkz.delikates-nk.ru 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Wed Aug 16 20:09:18 KRAST 2006 sa@nkz.delikates-nk.ru:/home/obj/home/src/sys/NKZ i386 >Description: ng_bpf(4) teaches to use tcpdump(1) to generate raw BPF instructions. However, the exact command line does not include '-p' option. This may activate promiscous mode on first ethernet interface, if any. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gloria_jones1@yahoo.com List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:01:50 -0000 Good day, I am a Dog Breeder, My husband and I live in the United Kingdom. Recently my Dog gave Birth. The (shih tzu) Puppy is Licensed, and has Health Certificate. I will be willing to give this items out to any interested person. My Car, mecedes benz E500 class 2003 model and my plasma television, (Samsung PPM63M5H) and the puppy to any interested person for FREE this is because I will be joining my Husband in Kuwait where he is on a three year consultancy project on oil exploration with Shell BP and we also want to relocate and will never come back to london. Why l am letting go of this is because this item has been given to us free so it will be a burden to us to freight to the middle east. 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Thanks Gloria Jones From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 31 22:42:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6768F16A4E0 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:42:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurin@delete.org) Received: from cobalt.delete.org (cobalt.delete.org [198.177.254.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6A943D73 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:42:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kurin@delete.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.delete.org [127.0.0.1]) by cobalt.delete.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC87884460 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:41:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at delete.org Received: from cobalt.delete.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cobalt.delete.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lxUlW3GVM24K for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cobalt.delete.org (Postfix, from userid 1028) id 7DC598445D; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:41:44 -0400 From: Toby Burress To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060831224144.GV12159@cobalt.delete.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Subject: Common utilities X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:42:05 -0000 I've been working on a docbook book for a while now and I'd like to get some feedback before I go much further. The purpose is to be a guidebook listing various utilities available in FreeBSD that a new (or not so new) admin might not be familiar with or, if he/she knows about them, perhaps he doesn't quite know what they can do. Right now I basically have a skeleton of utilities written up. You can find the HTML at http://www.causa-sui.net/common-utils/ and the SGML at http://www.causa-sui.net/cu-src.tar.bz2. Please let me know what you think, all comments welcome, etc. Specifically let me know if you think this is different enough from the handbook to warrant its own book (to me the handbook seems task-oriented, whereas this project has no specific tasks in mind, its only goal is to breed awareness and perhaps familiarity). Thanks, Toby From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 1 16:53:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6990316A4DF; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:53:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.t-hosting.hu (server.t-hosting.hu [217.20.133.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F93043D7E; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:52:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.t-hosting.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D2B99CB65; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:52:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at t-hosting.hu Received: from server.t-hosting.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server.t-hosting.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id zzA+4tbbNE4X; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:52:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.186] (catv-50635cb6.catv.broadband.hu [80.99.92.182]) by server.t-hosting.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9541699CB5B; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:52:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44F86554.2030509@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:52:36 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?R8OhYm9yIEvDtnZlc2TDoW4=?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "roberto@freebsd.org" References: <20060901090313.62A2022DDB@mail.droso.net> In-Reply-To: <20060901090313.62A2022DDB@mail.droso.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Which charset? [ Was: =?utf-8?b?W0fDoWJvcidzIEJsb2ddIENvbW1lbnQ6?= =?utf-8?q?_=22Charset_issues=22=5D?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:53:06 -0000 Ollivier Robert wrote: > I think you should just go back to UTF-8, it is much more easier to insert special characters, especially outside of the rather limited ISO-8859-X range. Tidy does support UTF-8 and if you tell it not to mess with entities, characters should be fine. > > Cheers, > Ollivier > > > Hi, thanks for the suggestion. Actually, I tried it with tidy's utf-8 command line option but I got question marks instead of the á é etc. entities. I can't use tidy at all, no matter which one I choose. Do you think utf-8 has still advantages even if I can use each necessary character with iso-8859-2? If it's reasonable I will use utf-8 but I CC'd the related lists for further discussion. For those, who don't know what is it about, please read this: http://bsdblogs.droso.org/gabor/2006/08/31/charset-issues/ Actually, I only need a few special characters: á é í ó ú ö ü o with double acute u with double acute And the capitalized forms of them. -- Cheers, Gabor From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 2 08:50:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A2116A4DA for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 08:50:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from pittgoth.com (ns1.pittgoth.com [216.38.206.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9C043D45 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 08:50:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (net-ix.gw.ai.net [205.134.160.6] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k828oi4m071609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 2 Sep 2006 04:50:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 04:50:32 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Toby Burress Message-Id: <20060902045032.4e3715d3.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20060831224144.GV12159@cobalt.delete.org> References: <20060831224144.GV12159@cobalt.delete.org> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Common utilities X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:50:50 -0000 On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:41:44 -0400 Toby Burress wrote: > I've been working on a docbook book for a while now and I'd like > to get some feedback before I go much further. > > The purpose is to be a guidebook listing various utilities available > in FreeBSD that a new (or not so new) admin might not be familiar > with or, if he/she knows about them, perhaps he doesn't quite know > what they can do. > > Right now I basically have a skeleton of utilities written up. You > can find the HTML at http://www.causa-sui.net/common-utils/ and the > SGML at http://www.causa-sui.net/cu-src.tar.bz2. > > Please let me know what you think, all comments welcome, etc. > Specifically let me know if you think this is different enough from > the handbook to warrant its own book (to me the handbook seems > task-oriented, whereas this project has no specific tasks in mind, > its only goal is to breed awareness and perhaps familiarity). Sure does look like an interesting idea. Keeping up with changes in utilities might be a full time job though. I'm guessing the manual pages do not explain things well enough? -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 2 12:25:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6DF16A4DD for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:25:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dev@freedomcircle.net) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B762243D45 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:25:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dev@freedomcircle.net) Received: from [192.168.7.5] ([71.101.67.143]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4Y00M3MT625A02@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 07:25:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:25:26 -0400 From: Joe To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <44F97836.3050104@freedomcircle.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060317) Cc: Subject: Document not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:25:42 -0000 Two problems: The file http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/$base/gnome/docs/develfaq.html does not exist at this server. You are coming from http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/newsflash.html. (specifically, from the 2 August 2006 item, "GNOME 2.15" link) --- The file http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/$base/gnome/docs/faq2.html does not exist at this server. You are coming from http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/newsflash.html. (specifically, from the 27 July 2006 item, "packages" link) Joe From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 2 18:50:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FD816A4E1; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:50:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurin@delete.org) Received: from cobalt.delete.org (cobalt.delete.org [198.177.254.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4B843D5C; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:50:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kurin@delete.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.delete.org [127.0.0.1]) by cobalt.delete.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69AA684460; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:50:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at delete.org Received: from cobalt.delete.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cobalt.delete.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GHkXF5zObpsk; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cobalt.delete.org (Postfix, from userid 1028) id 3391A8445D; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:50:05 -0400 From: Toby Burress To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20060902185005.GX12159@cobalt.delete.org> References: <20060831224144.GV12159@cobalt.delete.org> <20060902045032.4e3715d3.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060902045032.4e3715d3.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Common utilities X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:50:24 -0000 > Sure does look like an interesting idea. Keeping up with changes > in utilities might be a full time job though. I'm guessing the > manual pages do not explain things well enough? Well it's not that manpages are hard to follow or out of date, as that to know how to use find (for example), first you have to know that the utility you want to use is find, and that find does something like what you want to do. This doesn't need to be an exhaustive reference for every utility, I think, but it should touch on each of the major features, and explain the flexibility of whatever tool is at hand. Toby