From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 16 11:08:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2324016A401 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:08:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127FC13C4AC for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:08:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GB88hE017920 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:08:08 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id l6GB8703017916 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:08:07 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:08:07 GMT Message-Id: <200707161108.l6GB8703017916@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:08:09 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o alpha/75317 alpha [busdma] [patch] ATA DMA broken on PCalpha 1 problem total. Serious problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- f alpha/59116 alpha [ntfs] mount_ntfs of a Windows 2000-formatted fs cause o alpha/61940 alpha [sysinstall] Can't disklabel new disk from FreeBSD/alp o alpha/61973 alpha Machine Check on boot-up of AlphaServer 2100A RM s alpha/67626 alpha X crashes an alpha machine, resulting reboot o alpha/85346 alpha PREEMPTION causes unstability in Alpha4000 SMP kernel o alpha/105134 alpha 'panic: lockmgr: thread ... not exclusive lock owner' 6 problems total. Non-critical problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o alpha/25284 alpha PC164 won't reboot with graphics console o alpha/38031 alpha osf1.ko not loaded during boot-time of linux-emu enabl o alpha/48676 alpha Changing the baud rate of serial consoles for Alpha sy o alpha/50868 alpha fd0 floppy device is not mapped into /dev (XP1000) Fre o alpha/66478 alpha unexpected machine check: panic for 4.9, 4.10, 5.2 or o alpha/67903 alpha hw.chipset.memory: 1099511627776 - thats way to much : 6 problems total. From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 16 14:31:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93EAE16A5AC for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:31:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lausts@acm.org) Received: from ms-smtp-05.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125F913C4DA for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:31:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lausts@acm.org) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (cpe-71-79-254-61.woh.res.rr.com [71.79.254.61]) by ms-smtp-05.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l6GEVLrA015780 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:31:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Thomas Laus" Organization: ABB To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:31:20 -0400 Message-ID: <469B48F8.28247.E00D79@lausts.acm.org> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: Cross-Building Alpha on i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lausts@acm.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:31:24 -0000 Group: Since RELENG_4 is has lost support, I wanted to install something from the RELENG_6 tree. I installed the latest .iso (RELENG_6_2) that was on the mirrors, but the libpam libraries had problems. The library libpam.so.3 was missing on my system and even root can not login after installation. I used the following script: ================ #!/bin/sh ### makerelease Mike Patterson ## from makecd originally by ## Author: Gregory Neil Shapiro # Error exit EX_UNAVAILABLE=69 # Set this! buildname=RELENG6-TSL-13JULY2007 # chrootdir, where everything gets built to chrootdir=/usr/buildworld # FreeBSD release area rel=/usr/release # Boot blocks boot=boot/cdboot # CD-ROM root dir=cdrom/disc1 #cvsroot cvsroot=/home/ncvs cd /usr/src/release make release CHROOTDIR=${chrootdir} \ BUILDNAME=${buildname} \ CVSROOT=${cvsroot} \ RELEASETAG=RELENG_6 \ NODOC=YES \ NOPORTS=YES \ ALLLANG=no \ NOPORTREADMES=YES \ TARGET_ARCH=alpha \ TARGET=alpha # set NOSRC=YES if you don't want the sources either # Move into the area cd ${rel} || exit ${EX_UNAVAILABLE} # Read CD_VERSION from cdrom.inf if [ ! -f ${dir}/cdrom.inf ] then echo "$0: ${dir}/cdrom.inf missing" exit ${EX_UNAVAILABLE} fi read version < ${dir}/cdrom.inf cd_version=${version##CD_VERSION = } if [ "${cd_version}" = "" ] then echo "$0: cd_version not defined" exit ${EX_UNAVAILABLE} fi # CD Parameters appid="FreeBSD ${cd_version}" pubid="Thomas Laus " # Where to save the backup iso=/home/lausts/iso/disc1.iso # Create the ISO file /usr/local/bin/mkisofs -A "${appid}" -P "${pubid}" -p "${pubid}" \ -no-emul-boot \ -o ${iso} -b ${boot} -R -J ${dir} echo echo echo ISO is in ${iso} echo ============ I changed the `TARGET_ARCH=alpha & TARGET=alpha' in the script as well as the location of enough filespace to build the system. The result was an un- bootable cdrom. Is there a script that the Release Team uses that might be a little better for me to use? Are the mkisofs switches correct for the Alpha architecture? Since my AlphaStation is a lot slower than my PC's in the i386 family, I would prefer to update by cross-compiling binaries instead of building on my Alpha. Tom -- Public Keys: PGP KeyID = 0x5F22FDC1 GnuPG KeyID = 0x620836CF From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 16 15:18:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D13A16A409 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:18:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F08913C481 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:18:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (obsolete.xs4all.nl [82.95.250.254]) by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6GFI46n076371; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:18:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l6GFI4XH008745; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:18:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.6/Submit) id l6GFI4tY008744; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:18:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:18:04 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Thomas Laus Message-ID: <20070716151804.GA8713@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <469B48F8.28247.E00D79@lausts.acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <469B48F8.28247.E00D79@lausts.acm.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cross-Building Alpha on i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:18:09 -0000 On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 10:31:20AM -0400, Thomas Laus wrote.. > Group: > > Since RELENG_4 is has lost support, I wanted to install something from the > RELENG_6 tree. I installed the latest .iso (RELENG_6_2) that was on the > mirrors, but the libpam libraries had problems. The library libpam.so.3 was > missing on my system and even root can not login after installation. > > ============ > I changed the `TARGET_ARCH=alpha & TARGET=alpha' in the script as well as the > location of enough filespace to build the system. The result was an un- > bootable cdrom. Is there a script that the Release Team uses that might be a > little better for me to use? Are the mkisofs switches correct for the Alpha > architecture? Since my AlphaStation is a lot slower than my PC's in the i386 Did you run setcdboot on the ISO before burning it on CD? If you don't it won't be bootable. Can't comment on how well X-building works in x86, I always built natively on Alpha. > family, I would prefer to update by cross-compiling binaries instead of > building on my Alpha. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 16 19:12:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E93C16A400 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:12:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lausts@acm.org) Received: from ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C58F13C4A8 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:12:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lausts@acm.org) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (cpe-71-79-254-61.woh.res.rr.com [71.79.254.61]) by ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l6GJCXXk006262 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:12:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Thomas Laus" Organization: ABB To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:12:33 -0400 Message-ID: <469B8AE1.15664.F3753@lausts.acm.org> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20070716151804.GA8713@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <469B48F8.28247.E00D79@lausts.acm.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: Re: Cross-Building Alpha on i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lausts@acm.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:12:37 -0000 Date sent: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:18:04 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: Cross-Building Alpha on i386 To: Thomas Laus Copies to: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org > Did you run setcdboot on the ISO before burning it on CD? If you don't > it won't be bootable. > > Can't comment on how well X-building works in x86, I always built natively > on Alpha. > I had to hunt for that program, `setcdboot'. It was in /ports/sysutils. I built the utility and made a new .iso. One of the parameters that setcdboot requires is the < boot path> as well as the name of my new .iso. I tried the root directory `/' as the boot path and DKA400 was at least accessed, but then the I got a `boot failure'. Should the I set the boot path to `/boot/cdboot' or something else. When using this utility is it still necessary to have `mkisofs' write boot blocks to the .iso or is it only required that I use `setcdboot' to make the cd bootable. Alpha's are certainly special in a lot of ways. Tom -- Public Keys: PGP KeyID = 0x5F22FDC1 GnuPG KeyID = 0x620836CF From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 16 19:17:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F57B16A401 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:17:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F36613C48E for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:17:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (obsolete.xs4all.nl [82.95.250.254]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6GJHSmC024155; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:17:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l6GJHSGg010070; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:17:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.6/Submit) id l6GJHSQN010069; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:17:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:17:28 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Thomas Laus Message-ID: <20070716191727.GA10053@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <469B48F8.28247.E00D79@lausts.acm.org> <469B8AE1.15664.F3753@lausts.acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <469B8AE1.15664.F3753@lausts.acm.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cross-Building Alpha on i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:17:33 -0000 On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 03:12:33PM -0400, Thomas Laus wrote.. > Date sent: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:18:04 +0200 > From: Wilko Bulte > Subject: Re: Cross-Building Alpha on i386 > To: Thomas Laus > Copies to: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org > > > Did you run setcdboot on the ISO before burning it on CD? If you don't > > it won't be bootable. > > > > Can't comment on how well X-building works in x86, I always built natively > > on Alpha. > > > I had to hunt for that program, `setcdboot'. It was in /ports/sysutils. I > built the utility and made a new .iso. One of the parameters that setcdboot > requires is the < boot path> as well as the name of my new .iso. I tried the > root directory `/' as the boot path and DKA400 was at least accessed, but > then the I got a `boot failure'. Should the I set the boot path to > `/boot/cdboot' or something else. When using this utility is it still yes, 'setcdboot myiso.iso /boot/cdboot' > necessary to have `mkisofs' write boot blocks to the .iso or is it only > required that I use `setcdboot' to make the cd bootable. setcdboot is sufficient. > Alpha's are certainly special in a lot of ways. You tell me ;-) -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 17 21:01:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBD216A40E for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:01:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandano@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC5813C48D for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:01:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandano@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i23so915733wra for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:01:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YbejmfEHq/521MFrUR+sX4VpECdHn/ZlquT+EFXHXWEkkURB95rP8YTIBE+ctbIpcwYWOvMkQxYSK0Ui7EAdGMLexUm1Y8+omaRxb3pFSSox9286gDV6CGQ23rRryTUl1Rg3DXIpraIgF9a/2u52daSNjwh2A+0x9WQqxG0ConE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=VexAclY88mO4sB0unSn8SAxXqwO3zCm/q61i1vVxWM+cpznXJ8hP5IdnDwWp2W/LpL8g8NenVYyVVuq0+7XHK4xrkow4uE0XzFWoxzzOTisgYc3v5via7vNob4KgDwcRwqg5Ngo53yp8/bkBIdyOq/0ytQgtliCJ2p207XuSBMU= Received: by 10.142.90.8 with SMTP id n8mr64708wfb.1184706110699; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.99.7 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:01:50 +0200 From: "Rafael Ruiz" To: port-alpha@netbsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, alpha@openbsd.org Subject: Fwd: X on NetBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:01:52 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rafael Ruiz Date: 17-jul-2007 22:48 Subject: X on NetBSD To: alpha-port@netbsd.org, alpha@freebsd.org, alpha@openbsd.org Hi All! I would like to know why *BSD has problems with X (Xorg or XFree) on Alpha Platform. I like NetBSD, FreeBSD, but i have a lot of problem for use X on these. X runs very well on Linux/Alpha but i would like to work with BSD and to make a workstation with X. Why *BSD don't let X work on Alpha? This in not problem of X. In old versions of FreeBSD like 4.5 and so, XFree ran good. I think that BSD/alpha is better that Linux/Alpha .... but do we must to limit at console/text mode only? Due to i can not to use X on FreeBSD, nor NetBSD, I check OpenBSD, but it has the same problem. In NetBSD we can to build xsrc (XDecNet, XFree86,...), but only for 21164 processors, with 21264 it seem not work. We can to use caseydoodley Xfree86 modifications too(thanks mel), but with some limitations. We only have two options: 1.- For Workstations with graphical environment -> Linux 2.- For Servers (Text mode) -> BSD Is this our only choice? It's a pity that BSD has this problem with X, it is the best free Operating System for Alpha. Does think NetBSD or OpenBSD developers to open the door for X in the future? Opinions? Solutions? Thanks for your comments. Rafa -- Alpha Processor Forever -- From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 17 21:14:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C553416A419 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:14:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandano@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7999813C481 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:14:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandano@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i23so919529wra for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:14:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=p19K7h9Xmjlma/ijQc5XPqEzjeYeHp+aeUfmgNW1Bbh5EzawIWBXhMzH/BO8CER5UCk/OANMW9rSkqt6ye/O87bOcadC3k6mE9ambFiHJ/I12joA/bu5IjajHcfIQuobjWcyeoHQdxlkq4dCY42oRDvmiSZkoOElqKXU/yH8amY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=KIbdY4h+tZkxVpAjWG9Dr+cqX5xOHuZdB4Uub/LLV5zmPiJSYRVX/5ULS5S8ARjYMDVaTLbgZ+ahD5Q6L6mcex/4ZhRbvUbHc6b18ozVVKbTrsi14RMPm/BPVTFy8A0GLq9C6sS+wysPgUzgqrncLTuaLWol1j3o/QZKo6si1m0= Received: by 10.142.240.9 with SMTP id n9mr66087wfh.1184705325286; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.99.7 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:48:45 +0200 From: "Rafael Ruiz" To: alpha-port@netbsd.org, alpha@freebsd.org, alpha@openbsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: X on NetBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:14:37 -0000 Hi All! I would like to know why *BSD has problems with X (Xorg or XFree) on Alpha Platform. I like NetBSD, FreeBSD, but i have a lot of problem for use X on these. X runs very well on Linux/Alpha but i would like to work with BSD and to make a workstation with X. Why *BSD don't let X work on Alpha? This in not problem of X. In old versions of FreeBSD like 4.5 and so, XFree ran good. I think that BSD/alpha is better that Linux/Alpha .... but do we must to limit at console/text mode only? Due to i can not to use X on FreeBSD, nor NetBSD, I check OpenBSD, but it has the same problem. In NetBSD we can to build xsrc (XDecNet, XFree86,...), but only for 21164 processors, with 21264 it seem not work. We can to use caseydoodley Xfree86 modifications too(thanks mel), but with some limitations. We only have two options: 1.- For Workstations with graphical environment -> Linux 2.- For Servers (Text mode) -> BSD Is this our only choice? It's a pity that BSD has this problem with X, it is the best free Operating System for Alpha. Does think NetBSD or OpenBSD developers to open the door for X in the future? Opinions? Solutions? Thanks for your comments. 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For more details or to purchase send an email to : medcomm@hotmail.com or call 206-202-3021 put "cease" in the subject of an email to us if you'd rather not be contacted From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 19 12:18:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4185716A409 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:18:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from diri.bris.ac.uk (diri.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E957F13C4A6 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:18:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from isis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.63]) by diri.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IBUhC-0000FD-IU for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:01:28 +0100 Received: from mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.184.33]) by isis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IBUgS-0007lE-Cm for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:00:40 +0100 Received: from mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost.men.bris.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6JC0Bv6043286 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:00:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from shterenl@localhost) by mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id l6JC0B6V043285 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:00:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk: shterenl set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:00:11 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070719120010.GA43146@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Score: -1.1 X-Spam-Level: - Subject: partitioning program does not see scsi disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:18:07 -0000 HI I'm trying to install FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Sat Jan 13 02:32:39 UTC 2007 on AlphaServer DS10L 466 MHz Console V7.3-1, Feb 27 2007 13:17:58 I cannot see the SCSI disk in the partitioning program. The disk worked fine under VMS 8.3. I can see the disk in SRM: >>>show dev dka0.0.0.17.0 DKA0 QUANTUM ATLAS10K3_18_WLS 020K dqb0.0.1.13.0 DQB0 CD-224E 9.5B dva0.0.0.0.0 DVA0 ewa0.0.0.9.0 EWA0 08-00-2B-87-42-31 ewb0.0.0.11.0 EWB0 08-00-2B-87-42-4E pka0.7.0.17.0 PKA0 SCSI Bus ID 7 >>> and the SCSI controller is the standard NCR 53C895: >>>init Initializing... *** keyboard not plugged in... 1024 Meg of system memory probing hose 0, PCI probing PCI-to-ISA bridge, bus 1 bus 0, slot 9 -- ewa -- DE500-BA Network Controller bus 0, slot 11 -- ewb -- DE500-BA Network Controller bus 0, slot 13 -- dqa -- Acer Labs M1543C IDE bus 0, slot 13 -- dqb -- Acer Labs M1543C IDE bus 0, slot 17 -- pka -- NCR 53C895 initializing GCT/FRU at 3ff40000 Testing the System Testing the Disks (read only) Testing ew* devices. System Temperature is 43 degrees C AlphaServer DS10L 466 MHz Console V7.3-1, Feb 27 2007 13:17:58 >>> so it should be supported by the ncr(4) driver. I could not see this driver in modules or in kernel (why? should it appear somewhere?) so I further loaded sym(4) module before booting: Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf /boot/kernel/kernel data=0x6fed50+0x39a70 syms=[0x8+0x76578+0x8+0x61c05] - Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. Booting [/boot/kernel/kernel] in 9 seconds... Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. OK load sym /boot/kernel/sym.ko text=0x10048 data=0x32ae+0xa syms=[0x8+0x12f0+0x8+0xb40] OK lsmod 0xfffffc0000300000: /boot/kernel/kernel (elf kernel, 0x810950) modules: splash.1 ufs.1 nfsserver.1 nfslock.1 nfs.1 nfs4.1 wlan.1 wlan_wep.1 wlan_tkip.1 wlan_ccmp.1 if_gif.1 if_faith.1 ether.1 sysvshm.1 sysvsem.1 sysvmsg.1 cd9660.1 isa.1 pseudofs.1 procfs.1 msdosfs.1 usb.1 cdce.0 random.1 ppbus.1 pci.1 null.1 mpt_raid.1 mpt.1 mpt_cam.1 mpt_core.1 miibus.1 mem.1 ispfw.0 isp.1 sbp.1 fwe.1 firewire.1 if_ath.1 ath_rate.1 ath_hal.1 ast.1 afd.1 acd.1 atapci.1 ad.1 ata.1 ahc.1 ahc_pci.1 ahc_isa.1 ahc_eisa.1 cam.1 0xfffffc0000b10950: /boot/mfsroot (mfs_root, 0x438000) 0xfffffc0000f4a000: /boot/kernel/sym.ko (elf module, 0x25140) modules: sym.1 OK and I can see the disk detected correctly by sym during boot: [...] da0 at sym0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 17537MB (35916548 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2235C) [...] but after that I cannot see the disk (this is a screen copy): FreeBSD Disklabel Editor Part Mount Size Newfs Part Mount Size Newfs ---- ----- ---- ----- ---- ----- ---- ----- The following commands are valid here (upper or lower case): C = Create D = Delete M = Mount pt. N = Newfs Opts Q = Finish S = Toggle SoftUpdates Z = Custom Newfs T = Toggle Newfs U = Undo A = Auto Defaults R = Delete+Merge Use F1 or ? to get more help, arrow keys to select. furthermore if I press some keys, like Z, or R, I get signal 11: +--------------------------- Message ---------------------------+ |A signal 11 was caught - I'm saving what I can and shutting | |down. If you can reproduce the problem, please turn Debug on | |in the Options menu for the extra information it provides | |in debugging problems like this. | +-------------------------------------------------------(100%)--+ | [ OK ] | +-------------------[ Press enter or space ]-------------------- I've only found one related thread on the net: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-alpha/2003-April/000162.html in which the author had what seems like a similar problem and he resolved it by: Fixed my own problem really. Turns out that neither disk had an acceptable first block for FreeBSD. Running a "dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/da1 bk=0 s=1" (or whatever the correct syntax is, I forget) to zero out the first block made the disk appear in the 5.0 disklabel program. Now, how do I do that? Do I actually need to remove the disk from alpha and put in some other unix box? I tried to write NIL to the first block using SRM exer as follows: >>>init >>>chmod +w dka* >>>exer -d1 0 -sb 0 -eb 1 -a 'w-Rc' dka0 but nothing changed. There is nothing on this problem in the release notes: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.2R/hardware-alpha.html except: The kernel config file must contain: options DEC_ST6600 cpu EV5 I'm not sure how to do this before boot. Any ideas? thanks a lot anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 19 18:10:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE59F16A40A for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:10:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ntarmos@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6640D13C4CA for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:10:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ntarmos@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1FAEB480A for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:47:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB157158B43 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:47:55 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G+sIGnWuXG4v for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:47:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (csisgroup20.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.143.234]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95393158B3F for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:47:55 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:47:55 +0300 From: Nikos Ntarmos To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070719174754.GA14288@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr> References: <20070719120010.GA43146@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070719120010.GA43146@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> Organization: NetCInS Lab., C.E.I.D., U. of Patras, Greece WWW-Homepage: http://ntarmos.dyndns.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9680 60A7 DE60 0298 B1F0 9B22 9BA2 7569 CF95 160A Office-Phone: +30-2610-996919 Office-Fax: +30-2610-969011 GPS-Info: 38.2594N, 21.7428E User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Subject: Re: partitioning program does not see scsi disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:10:02 -0000 Hi there. On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 01:00:11PM +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > so it should be supported by the ncr(4) driver. I could not see this > driver in modules or in kernel (why? should it appear somewhere?) so > I further loaded sym(4) module before booting: That was probably the right thing to do. In GENERIC v1.186.2.9 (the one on the 6.2-RELEASE branch[1]) ncr(4) is commented out, with sym(4)'s comment stating that it supports "NCR/Symbios Logic (newer chipsets + those of `ncr')" (although GENERIC has 'device sym', so it should already be in the kernel if it's GENERIC that's on the media...) > and I can see the disk detected correctly by sym during boot: [...] > but after that I cannot see the disk (this is a screen copy): This is usually caused by the disk not having a bsd disklabel, which is (also usually) corrected with a # disklabel -W da0; dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/rda0c bs=8k count=1 > Now, how do I do that? Do I actually need to remove the disk from > alpha and put in some other unix box? It's been years since I last installed FreeBSD/alpha but I seem to remember there was a shell fired up on VTY4 (and there is always the "Fixit" sysinstall(8) option that drops you to a shell). > The kernel config file must contain: > > options DEC_ST6600 > cpu EV5 > > I'm not sure how to do this before boot. These should already be in the kernel per [1]. Cheers... \n\n [1] http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/src/sys/alpha/conf/Attic/GENERIC?rev=1.186.2.9;content-type=text%2Fplain;hideattic=0 From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 19 18:35:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F85E16A407 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:35:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from diri.bris.ac.uk (diri.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2D913C491 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:35:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from isis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.63]) by diri.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IBaq8-0001M6-UU; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:35:06 +0100 Received: from mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.184.33]) by isis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IBaoo-00062f-4b; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:33:42 +0100 Received: from mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost.men.bris.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6JIXCum047241; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:33:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from shterenl@localhost) by mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id l6JIXChc047240; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:33:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk: shterenl set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:33:12 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Nikos Ntarmos Message-ID: <20070719183312.GA47203@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Nikos Ntarmos , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org References: <20070719120010.GA43146@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> <20070719174754.GA14288@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070719174754.GA14288@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Score: -1.2 X-Spam-Level: - Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: partitioning program does not see scsi disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:35:07 -0000 On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 08:47:55PM +0300, Nikos Ntarmos wrote: > Hi there. > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 01:00:11PM +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > and I can see the disk detected correctly by sym during boot: > [...] > > but after that I cannot see the disk (this is a screen copy): > > This is usually caused by the disk not having a bsd disklabel, which > is (also usually) corrected with a > # disklabel -W da0; dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/rda0c bs=8k count=1 > > > Now, how do I do that? Do I actually need to remove the disk from > > alpha and put in some other unix box? > > It's been years since I last installed FreeBSD/alpha but I seem to > remember there was a shell fired up on VTY4 (and there is always the > "Fixit" sysinstall(8) option that drops you to a shell). thanks, I already figured this out. The actual commands were: Fixit# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da0 bs=512 count=32 32+0 records in 32+0 records out 16384 bytes transferred in 0.445921 secs (36742 bytes/sec) Fixit# bsdlabel -w da0 I'm thinking of adding a short paragraph on this under 4.2 Common Installation Problems for Alpha/AXP Architecture Users in FreeBSD/alpha 6.2-RELEASE Installation Instructions http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.2R/installation-alpha.html (that section is empty at present). thanks a lot anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423