From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 17 14:51:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06CD216A418 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:51:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from mx-out-05.forthnet.gr (mx-out.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7820113C44B for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:51:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from mx-av-05.forthnet.gr (mx-av.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.27]) by mx-out-05.forthnet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1HEpg95022835; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:51:42 +0200 Received: from MX-IN-01.forthnet.gr (mx-in-01.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.23]) by mx-av-05.forthnet.gr (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m1HEpgEi025375; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:51:42 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl85-63.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.52.63]) by MX-IN-01.forthnet.gr (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m1HEpY6f007498; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:51:35 +0200 Authentication-Results: MX-IN-01.forthnet.gr smtp.mail=keramida@ceid.upatras.gr; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: MX-IN-01.forthnet.gr header.from=keramida@ceid.upatras.gr; sender-id=neutral Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m1HEpXFk002080; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:51:33 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m1HEpX8v002079; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:51:33 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:51:32 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: deeptech71@gmail.com Message-ID: <20080217145132.GA1942@kobe.laptop> References: <47B59883.6040403@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47B59883.6040403@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's up with the symlinks in the 7.0-RC2 ISO images? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:51:45 -0000 On 2008-02-15 14:49, deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: >Oliver Fromme wrote: >> Well, someone might want to look at the "doc" CD on Windows >> (e.g if he's offline and needs to loo at the docs before >> installing FreeBSD). > > Or maybe someone might want to make a FreeBSD-7.0-RC2 DVD, > and a FreeBSD installation is too far away... That's not a bug of the FreeBSD ISO image, then, but of the process used to `convert' a perfectly working CD-ROM to a DVD. The need for a DVD is not unrealistic, and I can certainly understand *why* you may need it. The symlinks of the original CD-ROM are not really a problem if you use a *real* OS to read the ISO image, and not the jokes which Microsoft creates. If you use a FreeBSD system for the `DVD-ROM staging area' with a filesystem not as limited as the usual Windows filesystems, symlinks should be no problem at all. >> - All the ISO images -- including the doc one -- are built >> with MS-Joliet extensions (in addition to RockRidge), so >> long file names etc. work fine on Windows, too. > > Actually, long file names etc. work fine on Windows without the > MS-Joliet extensions and with ISO level 2 or 3, but not on DOS though. > If Windows-readability is a higher priority than DOS-readability > (definitely!), then lose the symlinks. Right. So we have to `cripple' the UNIX users' experience, just to be able to please the Windows users. Why does this sound a bit odd? Giorgos From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 17 14:51:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78BD16A41B for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (unknown [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C0713C4D9 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1HEpmUv008833; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:51:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m1HEpm5t008832; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:51:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:51:48 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200802171451.m1HEpm5t008832@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, deeptech71@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <47B5E090.6060702@gmail.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.2-STABLE-20070808 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:51:49 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: What's up with the symlinks in the 7.0-RC2 ISO images? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, deeptech71@gmail.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:51:51 -0000 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > The symlinks don't hurt Windows-readability at all. > > There's nothing that needs to be fixed. > > Show me that what sucks is actually my Windows system only instead of > all Windows systems: try opening > 7.0-RC2-CD2\packages\\ > on your Windows system and tell me what happens. Why would you want to open a FreeBSD package on a Windows machine? That doesn't make sense at all. The only files that might be useful on Windows are the files on the docs CD ISO image, and those can be opened without problems on Windows. I've tried it. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. 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Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "Unix gives you just enough rope to hang yourself -- and then a couple of more feet, just to be sure." -- Eric Allman From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 18 00:12:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C077516A420 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:12:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCAF13C45A for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:12:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.gsoft.com.au (inchoate.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1I0Bwh6000736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:41:59 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:41:50 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <47B69B01.2070907@highperformance.net> In-Reply-To: <47B69B01.2070907@highperformance.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart7715195.U59B9hMJri"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200802181041.57026.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -3.977 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 203.31.81.10 Cc: "Jason C. Wells" Subject: Re: Snagged by the Good Guys X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:12:01 -0000 --nextPart7715195.U59B9hMJri Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, 16 Feb 2008, Jason C. Wells wrote: > I just got snagged in the spam net. My non-spam mail server which > has been running for many years made the MAPS DUL tonight. I no > longer find the "Your Anti-Spam Solution Method Won't Work > Because..." post at slashdot funny. Well actually I do, but now > there is a bit more of the old melancholy resignation mixed in. > > I suppose I'll have to beg my ISP for delegation of my IP space now. > It's just frustrating to have to constantly be reconfiguring my > systems, not just to dodge the villains, but to dodge the goodguys > too. I'm in the crossfire. Or you could just relay through your ISPs mail server (10 seconds work=20 editing sendmail.cf). =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --nextPart7715195.U59B9hMJri Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHuM1M5ZPcIHs/zowRAm4fAJ9rbQEQsf85Scx/lN9w0zkkMNo8awCfbJqx 9F7/cUBe+LE2aOwmtbu3uHg= =v+UO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart7715195.U59B9hMJri-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 19 05:02:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C708C16A41A for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:02:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from err@www.skynetdm.com) Received: from www.skynetdm.com (www.skynetdm.com [202.181.98.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF0813C455 for ; 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( [78.92.52.90]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d6sm14183197fga.9.2008.02.20.09.30.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:30:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47BC6382.8010809@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:29:38 +0100 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What's up with the symlinks in the 7.0-RC2 ISO images? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:30:17 -0000 Oliver Fromme wrote: > Why would you want to open a FreeBSD package on a Windows > machine? That doesn't make sense at all. The only files > that might be useful on Windows are the files on the docs > CD ISO image, and those can be opened without problems on > Windows. I've tried it. Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: >>> Well, someone might want to look at the "doc" CD on Windows >>> (e.g if he's offline and needs to loo at the docs before >>> installing FreeBSD). >> >> Or maybe someone might want to make a FreeBSD-7.0-RC2 DVD, >> and a FreeBSD installation is too far away... > > That's not a bug of the FreeBSD ISO image, then, but of the process used > to `convert' a perfectly working CD-ROM to a DVD. > The need for a DVD is not unrealistic, and I can certainly understand > *why* you may need it. The symlinks of the original CD-ROM are not > really a problem if you use a *real* OS to read the ISO image, and not > the jokes which Microsoft creates. If you use a FreeBSD system for the > `DVD-ROM staging area' with a filesystem not as limited as the usual > Windows filesystems, symlinks should be no problem at all. > >>> - All the ISO images -- including the doc one -- are built >>> with MS-Joliet extensions (in addition to RockRidge), so >>> long file names etc. work fine on Windows, too. >> >> Actually, long file names etc. work fine on Windows without the >> MS-Joliet extensions and with ISO level 2 or 3, but not on DOS though. >> If Windows-readability is a higher priority than DOS-readability >> (definitely!), then lose the symlinks. > Right. So we have to `cripple' the UNIX users' experience, just to be > able to please the Windows users. Why does this sound a bit odd? Well, I am not forcing the Release Engineering Team to stop using symlinks, but: On the package CDs or install&somepackages CD, hard links had no problems. Bootable only, and docs don't use links. A normal FreeBSD system practice dictates the requirement for symlinks to exist in the tree instead of hard links, but would anyone install FreeBSD (on a harddrive) by copying files from the live CD to the hard drive? PS1: I AM using FreeBSD to make the DVDs, the symlink thing at Windows just occured to me when trying to show someone what it means for an OS not to have unique inodes, thinking that the RC2 package CDs had hard links (Windows occupies space twice: once for All/*, and once for /*). At least it was POSSIBLE to make a DVD (without livefs) before with Windows (with hard links). PS2: Congrats to your new commit rights. :)