From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 10 01:29:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B95E106566B; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:29:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from mx-out-04.forthnet.gr (mx-out.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061A18FC18; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:29:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from mx-av-02.forthnet.gr (mx-av.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.27]) by mx-out-04.forthnet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m29NpC5r010997; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:51:12 +0200 Received: from MX-IN-02.forthnet.gr (mx-in-02.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.185]) by mx-av-02.forthnet.gr (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m29NpCv7005742; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:51:12 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (ppp231-69.adsl.forthnet.gr [77.49.10.69]) by MX-IN-02.forthnet.gr (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m29NpAh4032202; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:51:12 +0200 Authentication-Results: MX-IN-02.forthnet.gr smtp.mail=keramida@freebsd.org; spf=permerror Authentication-Results: MX-IN-02.forthnet.gr header.from=keramida@freebsd.org; sender-id=permerror Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m29NpAfA029417; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:51:10 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m29Np8Ww029416; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:51:08 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:51:08 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Jean Milanez Melo Message-ID: <20080309235108.GA29312@kobe.laptop> References: <1194819232.1047.19.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115013208.GA3497@kobe.laptop> <1195151049.3240.10.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115190615.GA2775@kobe.laptop> <1195169880.3240.46.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <1205006382.1390.4.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20080308202258.GB2331@kobe.laptop> <47D2FD93.5060801@freebsdbrasil.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47D2FD93.5060801@freebsdbrasil.com.br> Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org, freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Subject: TinyBSD article for the doc/ tree [was: Re: tinybsd qemu small howto] X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:29:56 -0000 On 2008-03-08 17:56, Jean Milanez Melo wrote: >Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> [about] >> http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/TinyBSD >> >> That's ok. If you ever feel like writing an article-like thing >> about ``Building tiny BSD images'', you are most welcome. Reading >> the current Wiki page, I see that you definitely `have it', i.e. you >> don't have any particular problems in writing up clear, >> understandable, well-organized documentation :) > > Hello, > > I already updated the tinybsd URL with the new features. Maybe it > could be a good point to start. That looks good, indeed! > There are anyone avaliable to sgml it? That would be me. > The URL is: > > http://www.tinybsd.org/tinybsd/Documentation An SGML article, with most of the text being just an adaptation of the tinybsd/Documentation wiki page is now online at: http://people.freebsd.org/~keramida/tinybsd-20080310-01/article.sgml A preformatted version of the article is available in the same directory. You can read it at: http://people.freebsd.org/~keramida/tinybsd-20080310-01/article.html Can you please review the article? It would be interesting to know: - If there are technical errors in what I wrote. My first TinyBSD build is running as I'm typing this, so I don't really count as an experienced TinyBSD user. - If there is something else you would like me to add. - If there are parts you don't like about the text, sections that we should rewrite, fix, and so on. There are also a few parts which I haven't completely converted yet, and some places where I have questions about MFSROOT images and config file changes. I'll experiment a bit with the TinyBSD image I'm building now, but if you can help me fill in the last few sections, it would be nice :) You can see how I'm considering to organize the remaining sections by reading the SGML comments in the `article.sgml' file. From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 10 15:45:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DF41065670 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:45:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmelo@freebsdbrasil.com.br) Received: from capeta.freebsdbrasil.com.br (capeta.freebsdbrasil.com.br [201.48.151.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5841A8FC1A for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:45:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmelo@freebsdbrasil.com.br) Received: (qmail 2757 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2008 12:45:10 -0300 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.69.69.66?) (jmelo@201.48.151.226) by capeta.freebsdbrasil.com.br with SMTP; 10 Mar 2008 12:45:10 -0300 Message-ID: <47D55781.4050308@freebsdbrasil.com.br> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:45:05 -0300 From: Jean Milanez Melo User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Macintosh/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <1194819232.1047.19.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115013208.GA3497@kobe.laptop> <1195151049.3240.10.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115190615.GA2775@kobe.laptop> <1195169880.3240.46.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <1205006382.1390.4.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20080308202258.GB2331@kobe.laptop> <47D2FD93.5060801@freebsdbrasil.com.br> <20080309235108.GA29312@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <20080309235108.GA29312@kobe.laptop> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.3.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org, freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TinyBSD article for the doc/ tree [was: Re: tinybsd qemu small howto] X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:45:13 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > An SGML article, with most of the text being just an adaptation of the > tinybsd/Documentation wiki page is now online at: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~keramida/tinybsd-20080310-01/article.sgml > > A preformatted version of the article is available in the same directory. > You can read it at: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~keramida/tinybsd-20080310-01/article.html > That's great Giorgos! Thanks for your help. :) > Can you please review the article? It would be interesting to know: > > - If there are technical errors in what I wrote. My first TinyBSD > build is running as I'm typing this, so I don't really count as > an experienced TinyBSD user. There are no errors, everything is ok. > > - If there is something else you would like me to add. > The article is very objective and i think that is what we want to. Congratz! :) > - If there are parts you don't like about the text, sections that > we should rewrite, fix, and so on. No, that's ok, very good as i said, please just change only my mail address to jmelo@freebsd.org. > > There are also a few parts which I haven't completely converted yet, and > some places where I have questions about MFSROOT images and config file > changes. I'll experiment a bit with the TinyBSD image I'm building now, > but if you can help me fill in the last few sections, it would be nice :) > Oks, what are your questions about MFSROOT and config files? About the last sections i'll organize what i wrote and will send it to you by private mail. > You can see how I'm considering to organize the remaining sections by > reading the SGML comments in the `article.sgml' file. > I have a sugestion: what do you think about create a new handbook session called "embedded" and add both nanobsd and tinybsd article? i think it could be better. Cheers, -- Jean From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 10 21:12:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479F9106566B; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:12:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from mx-out-01.forthnet.gr (mx-out.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91EFF8FC27; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:12:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from mx-av-02.forthnet.gr (mx-av.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.27]) by mx-out-01.forthnet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2ALCCfX001847; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:12:12 +0200 Received: from MX-IN-04.forthnet.gr (mx-in-04.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.163]) by mx-av-02.forthnet.gr (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2ALCCYC023047; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:12:12 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl35-48.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.162.48]) by MX-IN-04.forthnet.gr (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2ALC33D002037; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:12:05 +0200 Authentication-Results: MX-IN-04.forthnet.gr smtp.mail=keramida@ceid.upatras.gr; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: MX-IN-04.forthnet.gr header.from=keramida@ceid.upatras.gr; sender-id=neutral Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2ALC3Oh002992; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:12:03 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m2ALBwKl002991; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:11:58 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:11:58 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Jean Milanez Melo Message-ID: <20080310211158.GB1838@kobe.laptop> References: <1194819232.1047.19.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115013208.GA3497@kobe.laptop> <1195151049.3240.10.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115190615.GA2775@kobe.laptop> <1195169880.3240.46.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <1205006382.1390.4.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20080308202258.GB2331@kobe.laptop> <47D2FD93.5060801@freebsdbrasil.com.br> <20080309235108.GA29312@kobe.laptop> <47D55781.4050308@freebsdbrasil.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47D55781.4050308@freebsdbrasil.com.br> Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org, freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TinyBSD article for the doc/ tree [was: Re: tinybsd qemu small howto] X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:12:16 -0000 On 2008-03-10 12:45, Jean Milanez Melo wrote: >Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> An SGML article, with most of the text being just an adaptation of the >> tinybsd/Documentation wiki page is now online at: >> >> http://people.freebsd.org/~keramida/tinybsd-20080310-01/article.sgml >> >> A preformatted version of the article is available in the same directory. >> You can read it at: >> >> http://people.freebsd.org/~keramida/tinybsd-20080310-01/article.html > > That's great Giorgos! Thanks for your help. :) Neat. >> - If there are parts you don't like about the text, sections that >> we should rewrite, fix, and so on. > > No, that's ok, very good as i said, please just change only my mail > address to jmelo@freebsd.org. Done, and a new copy uploaded (in place). >> There are also a few parts which I haven't completely converted yet, and >> some places where I have questions about MFSROOT images and config file >> changes. I'll experiment a bit with the TinyBSD image I'm building now, >> but if you can help me fill in the last few sections, it would be nice :) > > Oks, what are your questions about MFSROOT and config files? If one is using an MFSROOT image, config changes have to be saved on disk, right? What is the preferred way of doing this in TinyBSD images? My intuition would be to search for /dev/da0 partitions, mount them as read-write, edit the configuration, and unmount. Does that sound ok? > About the last sections i'll organize what i wrote and will send it to > you by private mail. Excellent! I'll wait for the new text :) > I have a sugestion: what do you think about create a new handbook > session called "embedded" and add both nanobsd and tinybsd article? i > think it could be better. That's a worthy goal. When we finish writing up the TinyBSD text and polishing any final details, it will be a good idea to work with Daniel (who wrote about NanoBSD) and add a Handbook chapter called `Embedded FreeBSD'. There's a lot of interest in embedding FreeBSD these days, so my guess is people are going to love reading about it :) From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 11 18:05:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D471065677 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:05:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmelo@freebsdbrasil.com.br) Received: from capeta.freebsdbrasil.com.br (capeta.freebsdbrasil.com.br [201.48.151.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D2E88FC15 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:05:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmelo@freebsdbrasil.com.br) Received: (qmail 44381 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2008 15:05:51 -0300 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.69.69.66?) (jmelo@201.48.151.226) by capeta.freebsdbrasil.com.br with SMTP; 11 Mar 2008 15:05:51 -0300 Message-ID: <47D6C9FA.7030505@freebsdbrasil.com.br> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:05:46 -0300 From: Jean Milanez Melo User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Macintosh/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <1194819232.1047.19.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115013208.GA3497@kobe.laptop> <1195151049.3240.10.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115190615.GA2775@kobe.laptop> <1195169880.3240.46.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <1205006382.1390.4.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20080308202258.GB2331@kobe.laptop> <47D2FD93.5060801@freebsdbrasil.com.br> <20080309235108.GA29312@kobe.laptop> <47D55781.4050308@freebsdbrasil.com.br> <20080310211158.GB1838@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <20080310211158.GB1838@kobe.laptop> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.3.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org, freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TinyBSD article for the doc/ tree [was: Re: tinybsd qemu small howto] X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:05:54 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > If one is using an MFSROOT image, config changes have to be saved on > disk, right? What is the preferred way of doing this in TinyBSD images? It's a problem yet, at moment the users can't save the changes when they are using MFSROOT. I hope i can fix it soon... > > My intuition would be to search for /dev/da0 partitions, mount them as > read-write, edit the configuration, and unmount. Does that sound ok? Yes, it's a could thing to do. > >> About the last sections i'll organize what i wrote and will send it to >> you by private mail. > > Excellent! I'll wait for the new text :) oks. :) > >> I have a sugestion: what do you think about create a new handbook >> session called "embedded" and add both nanobsd and tinybsd article? i >> think it could be better. > > That's a worthy goal. When we finish writing up the TinyBSD text and > polishing any final details, it will be a good idea to work with Daniel > (who wrote about NanoBSD) and add a Handbook chapter called `Embedded > FreeBSD'. There's a lot of interest in embedding FreeBSD these days, so > my guess is people are going to love reading about it :) > Is great hear it from you. 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