From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 19 13:45:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80AAE1065676 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:45:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064518FC1E for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9JDimjU048825; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:45:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9JDimaX048824; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:44:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:44:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200910191344.n9JDimaX048824@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, GedankeZauberer@comcast.net In-Reply-To: <200910170357.35767.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:45:03 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: Quickie question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, GedankeZauberer@comcast.net List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:45:21 -0000 Allen wrote: > On Saturday 17 October 2009 02:52:56 am Tony Theodore wrote: > > OK, so if you have a look at the contents of > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/, it seems 7.1 packages > > are no longer being built. Not sure there's much you can do apart from > > using ports or upgrading. > > Thanks for letting me know about that. I didn't know. I heard the other day on > here that 7.1 had a longer life cycle than 7.2 so I hadn't upgraded as I > planned on waiting for 8.0, but I guess it's time to just go ahead and > upgrade. AFAIK this has nothing to do with the life cycle of 7.1. The older packages (and 7.1 is regarded as older) have been moved from the main FTP site to ftp-archive.freebsd.org. You can still use the pkg_add tool with 7.1, you just have to set the PACKAGESITE environment variable to the place where the packages are located. This has to be the full URL including the path where the files are to be found. See the pkg_add(1) manual page for detals, or ask Google. However, note that the releaase packages are never updated. If you want to update packages beyond the versions as of the release, you need to follow the 7-stable packages. (Or use the ports collection via portsnap, csup or similar, but it seems you don't want to do that.) Of course, updating to a newer version of FreeBSD is not an entirely bad idea either. ;-) Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "Perl will consistently give you what you want, unless what you want is consistency." -- Larry Wall From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 19 21:18:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4C61065697 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:18:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gedankezauberer@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD0D8FC1B for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ujRk1c00V1Y3wxoA2lJD0j; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:18:13 +0000 Received: from debianbox.local ([76.112.93.25]) by OMTA15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ulJ21c0010Yq9Sc8blJ6dK; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:18:13 +0000 From: Allen To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:16:43 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <200910191344.n9JDimaX048824@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: <200910191344.n9JDimaX048824@lurza.secnetix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910191716.43652.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Quickie question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:18:13 -0000 On Monday 19 October 2009 09:44:48 am Oliver Fromme wrote: > Allen wrote: > > On Saturday 17 October 2009 02:52:56 am Tony Theodore wrote: > > > OK, so if you have a look at the contents of > > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/, it seems 7.1 packages > > > are no longer being built. Not sure there's much you can do apart from > > > using ports or upgrading. > > > > Thanks for letting me know about that. I didn't know. I heard the other > > day on here that 7.1 had a longer life cycle than 7.2 so I hadn't > > upgraded as I planned on waiting for 8.0, but I guess it's time to just > > go ahead and upgrade. > > AFAIK this has nothing to do with the life cycle of 7.1. > The older packages (and 7.1 is regarded as older) have been > moved from the main FTP site to ftp-archive.freebsd.org. > > You can still use the pkg_add tool with 7.1, you just have > to set the PACKAGESITE environment variable to the place > where the packages are located. This has to be the full > URL including the path where the files are to be found. > See the pkg_add(1) manual page for detals, or ask Google. I've been doing some reading on this lately because I wanted to know what the best option would be, and since I do have a test machine set up almost the same as the one in question, I think my best bet is just to upgrade to a new version. I have... mm basically every book you can buy from FreeBSDMall, but I've noticed the upgrade process is different in some of them, so I think I'm going to just read the online one in the FreeBSD Docs as it should be the more updated version, and just try out a new one. > However, note that the releaase packages are never updated. > If you want to update packages beyond the versions as of > the release, you need to follow the 7-stable packages. > (Or use the ports collection via portsnap, csup or similar, > but it seems you don't want to do that.) > > Of course, updating to a newer version of FreeBSD is not > an entirely bad idea either. ;-) Yea, I think this is my best bet since from what I've been reading so far, they're talking about the 6.x branch AND 7.x branch being outdated soon, and 8.0 is going to be the only one that's... I can't recall the exact wording, but being a guy I just took a mental note saying "OK, when 8.0 comes out, upgrade, or do a fresh install, because the others aren't going to be worked on as much". I've been reading up on this a lot because, coming from a mostly Linux background, the way STABLE and RELEASE are used is a little bit different. I don't use RedHat or anything like that because I just don't like it, but Slackware, SUSE, and Debian I do use, (SUSE has been a favorite OS of mine for a long time. And having a friendship with their head security guy is nice too) so I was like hmm, STABLE seems like the one I should use for my test server, but BSD in general is stable as any OS you find anyway, so I usually used RELEASE not realizing that it was not the best idea because it would save me a lot of time if I was to just use Stable. > Best regards > Oliver Sehr danke ! -Allen -- http://www.myspace.com/farmacyofhorror Digital Horror Punk - Music I make! 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