From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 17 15:16:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88FEC10656E9 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:16:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dyr@homelink.ru) Received: from relay.eltel.net (relay.eltel.net [81.9.101.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6DF8FC18 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:16:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dyr@homelink.ru) Received: from mail.homelink.ru ([81.9.33.123] helo=eltel.net) by relay.eltel.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjaQZ-0001Tw-2B for isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:37:59 +0300 Received: from [85.249.167.249] (account dyr@homelink.ru HELO BIGBROTHER) by eltel.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 206404392 for isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:37:59 +0300 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:37:52 +0300 From: Dennis Yusupoff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: Severen-Home ISP X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> In-Reply-To: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 1.8 X-Spam-Report: Mail system is relay.eltel.net Contact postmaster@eltel.net for details. Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.3 MISSING_HEADERS Missing To: header 0.5 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.4662] X-Spam-Flag: NO Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:16:34 -0000 =C7=E4=F0=E0=E2=F1=F2=E2=F3=E9=F2=E5, Barney. =C2=FB =EF=E8=F1=E0=EB=E8 11 =F4=E5=E2=F0=E0=EB=FF 2009 =E3., 13:40:47: > Obviously this list is nothing but spam. Is there a place where FreeBSD-b= ased ISPs hang out? We are here =3D) --=20 =D1 =F3=E2=E0=E6=E5=ED=E8=E5=EC, =F1=E8=F1=F2=E5=EC=ED=FB=E9 =E0=E4=EC=E8=ED=E8=F1=F2=F0=E0=F2=EE=F0=20 Ozerki.Net/Cifracom.Ru =DE=F1=F3=EF=EE=E2 =C4=E5=ED=E8=F1 mailto:dyr@ho= melink.ru From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 18 02:36:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303FF106566B for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:36:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF2C98FC13 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:36:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 91413 invoked by uid 89); 18 Mar 2009 02:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by v6.ibctech.ca with ESMTPA; 18 Mar 2009 02:41:37 -0000 Message-ID: <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:36:37 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dennis Yusupoff References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> In-Reply-To: <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:36:52 -0000 Dennis Yusupoff wrote: > Çäðàâñòâóéòå, Barney. > > Âû ïèñàëè 11 ôåâðàëÿ 2009 ã., 13:40:47: > >> Obviously this list is nothing but spam. Is there a place where FreeBSD-based ISPs hang out? > > We are here =) I'll throw my hat in with a "so are we!". Steve -- Steve Bertrand Sr. Network Engineer eagle.ca Internet Services http://eagle.ca 905.373.9313 sbe96-arin From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 18 06:53:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CB3106566C for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:53:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f167.google.com (mail-fx0-f167.google.com [209.85.220.167]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8798FC13 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:53:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so341617fxm.43 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:53:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=ZiqWqpzF0gBi8PY2i5P559GtAPchioLTQJxtdQMukCE=; b=IyJ3OJfaqjmu2mRLlcY+hgVQW7hfRq3tRg+3baLepXVXFF3si0jOM7pYULlgKoLE7c Q9PELFiGuBFgL/dQ1k8/zHqZbV6PKjyseoM1OgKFuqbpwLSbW8qf3mDqugABmurUwFXX rwf95K26EPciDN49449Yx3CQS17MRx91v5DFE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=jOILYsECMlZdU756x9M4KGXh50WP/m0Df4mILLIKdbjG0VCLRAeoJ984ejBz9kfF2v J8zwL9ZgxCSnzNhGCgaNKhXxFsEZ9MZfGod1lnb75zMt0XwUZ8ggcsMw4EyOxv+tuYVV BZFXpI4/X2zpyLSCcjM7TPWq21BQpSweHKMJc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.105.75 with SMTP id s11mr725930fao.4.1237359233996; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:53:53 +0300 Message-ID: <991123400903172353k69aacb71o3eb2091efee51a0d@mail.gmail.com> From: "\"Remorque\"" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Freeside 1.7 Implementation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:53:55 -0000 Hello SysAdmin types, Are there some of you who have deployed Freeside in their environments? I do have a few questions about it. The system seems good (so far) but the documentation is a problem and the mailing list is near dormant. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a baby." - Natalie Wood From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 18 08:15:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F576106564A for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:15:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from cp8.openaccess.org (cp8.openaccess.org [66.114.42.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3E88FC15 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:15:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from mono-sis1.s.bli.openaccess.org ([66.114.32.149] helo=DeMan.local) by cp8.openaccess.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ljq1O-000691-I5 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:17:02 -0700 Message-ID: <49C09FE8.20306@staff.openaccess.org> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:16:56 -0700 From: "Michael DeMan (OA)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <991123400903172353k69aacb71o3eb2091efee51a0d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <991123400903172353k69aacb71o3eb2091efee51a0d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cp8.openaccess.org X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - staff.openaccess.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Freeside 1.7 Implementation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:15:17 -0000 Hi, No, we have never used that, we ended up writing our own java based software package for billing and trouble ticket management. Writing this kind of software in-house is a huge 'soft expense', but has provided us with the flexibility we have needed over the years to be able to customize things and such. We are (finally) looking at doing VOIP next year, Freeside seems interesting. "Remorque" wrote: > Hello SysAdmin types, > > Are there some of you who have deployed Freeside in their environments? I do > have a few questions about it. > The system seems good (so far) but the documentation is a problem and the > mailing list is near dormant. > > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 18 08:55:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6CC106567B for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:55:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@yoafrica.com) Received: from ns2.yoafrica.com (ns2.yoafrica.com [66.135.41.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B598FC1D for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:55:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@yoafrica.com) Received: from panadol.yoafrica.com ([196.44.176.14]) by ns2.yoafrica.com with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1LjpSZ-0005Ty-0J; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:41:05 +0200 Received: from smtp.yoafrica.com ([196.44.176.8]) by panadol.yoafrica.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LjpWI-0006mP-RP; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:44:55 +0200 Received: from valhalla.yoafrica.com ([196.44.177.58] helo=Valhalla) by smtp.yoafrica.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LjpWH-0005nG-HV; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:44:53 +0200 From: "Bruce Grobler" To: "'Steve Bertrand'" , "'Dennis Yusupoff'" References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:44:46 +0200 Organization: Yo!Africa Internet Service Pvt Ltd. Message-ID: <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcmncoxgW1XdPIjeTci+Bmr15T3UGwAInGYg Content-Language: en-zw Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bruce@yoafrica.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:55:37 -0000 We are here!!! :D Regards, Bruce Grobler Yo!Africa - Network Engineer Landline: +263-4-701300, Cellphone: +263-91-2364532 Skype ID: bruce.grobler -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org = [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Steve Bertrand Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:37 AM To: Dennis Yusupoff Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? Dennis Yusupoff wrote: > =C7=E4=F0=E0=E2=F1=F2=E2=F3=E9=F2=E5, Barney. >=20 > =C2=FB =EF=E8=F1=E0=EB=E8 11 =F4=E5=E2=F0=E0=EB=FF 2009 =E3., = 13:40:47: >=20 >> Obviously this list is nothing but spam. Is there a place where FreeBSD-based ISPs hang out? >=20 > We are here =3D) I'll throw my hat in with a "so are we!". Steve --=20 Steve Bertrand Sr. Network Engineer eagle.ca Internet Services http://eagle.ca 905.373.9313 sbe96-arin _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 18 13:04:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9365106567A for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eric.morrow@smithvilledigital.net) Received: from tesla.bluemarble.net (tesla.bluemarble.net [204.89.253.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A898FC28 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eric.morrow@smithvilledigital.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (zuul.bluemarble.net [204.89.253.253]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tesla.bluemarble.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56EC451B9 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49C0E9E3.50405@smithvilledigital.net> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:32:35 -0400 From: Eric Morrow User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> In-Reply-To: <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:04:16 -0000 Hi. :D -- Eric Morrow Systems Engineer Core and Commercial Data Services Smithville Digital Bruce Grobler wrote: > We are here!!! > > :D > > > Regards, > > Bruce Grobler > Yo!Africa - Network Engineer > Landline: +263-4-701300, Cellphone: +263-91-2364532 > Skype ID: bruce.grobler > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] > On Behalf Of Steve Bertrand > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:37 AM > To: Dennis Yusupoff > Cc: isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: ISPs? > > Dennis Yusupoff wrote: > >> Çäðàâñòâóéòå, Barney. >> >> Âû ïèñàëè 11 ôåâðàëÿ 2009 ã., 13:40:47: >> >> >>> Obviously this list is nothing but spam. Is there a place where >>> > FreeBSD-based ISPs hang out? > >> We are here =) >> > > I'll throw my hat in with a "so are we!". > > Steve > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 18 13:16:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DC0106566C for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:16:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f167.google.com (mail-fx0-f167.google.com [209.85.220.167]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C398FC08 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:16:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so42443fxm.43 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:16:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=gB4v0Sst1cH/CNnj3mHzNo2NW9q9zWkIRBTCFvvhDUs=; b=laFFVDp/bGEk60DBYbe5eeEbwOO4rXDWp5t5S8VVhj7rOwhdLgeY2h5VjUt3UCegJv MF+9RzbTN8ybfuTes7P72OVfrGfRiOa+lYpuFP3vMprlAK+zn9p9nnmm0YoTvQ07E6m7 YbqfXrNB6MSq43Yuic/PFyo04YSRno05ZXtk4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=XKVO5rGdol90aXuYlwCPCfTFIw8XSx2zYlJVlXVZr+RwQ5jCSdWq6dN2KME4GZV4Nq 3p6UxSbTSadxhsKeMpD3KuLw9wfSkj+CVh4xeWZ+so2JtKxO74fDp8h8S95oAq69XEks ptkW6kXT9fwLKT3clMF9dlBT4JC9mkRU8zcdI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.119.5 with SMTP id x5mr1020310faq.40.1237382176249; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:16:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49C0E9E3.50405@smithvilledigital.net> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C0E9E3.50405@smithvilledigital.net> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:16:16 +0300 Message-ID: <991123400903180616q2df500dei37886803bf401dfc@mail.gmail.com> From: "\"Remorque\"" To: Eric Morrow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:16:18 -0000 IIRC, this used to be a very active list sometimes back - perhaps 5 years ago. It would appear all the SysAdmins either got promoted to Managerial positions or retired! :) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a baby." - Natalie Wood From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 18 21:49:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC64106566B for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:49:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from heidi@internode.com.au) Received: from ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net [203.16.214.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A357E8FC1F for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:49:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from heidi@internode.com.au) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8BAE8DwUmWZe0w/2dsb2JhbAAI1CMBgjeBRAZhhmo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,386,1233495000"; d="scan'208";a="313695220" Received: from eth2097.sa.adsl.internode.on.net (HELO [192.168.1.6]) ([150.101.237.48]) by ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 19 Mar 2009 08:04:20 +1030 Message-Id: <63EC1C2F-9B4A-42BA-A9BC-7CA73E3A5C18@internode.com.au> From: Heidi Angove To: Eric Morrow In-Reply-To: <49C0E9E3.50405@smithvilledigital.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:04:18 +1030 References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C0E9E3.50405@smithvilledigital.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:49:38 -0000 Hello, Internode - Australian ISP On 18/03/2009, at 11:02 PM, Eric Morrow wrote: > Hi. > > :D > > -- > Eric Morrow > Systems Engineer > Core and Commercial Data Services > Smithville Digital > > > > Bruce Grobler wrote: >> We are here!!! >> >> :D >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Bruce Grobler >> Yo!Africa - Network Engineer >> Landline: +263-4-701300, Cellphone: +263-91-2364532 >> Skype ID: bruce.grobler >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org = [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org=20 >> ] >> On Behalf Of Steve Bertrand >> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:37 AM >> To: Dennis Yusupoff >> Cc: isp@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: ISPs? >> >> Dennis Yusupoff wrote: >> >>> =C7=E4=F0=E0=E2=F1=F2=E2=F3=E9=F2=E5, Barney. >>> >>> =C2=FB =EF=E8=F1=E0=EB=E8 11 =F4=E5=E2=F0=E0=EB=FF 2009 =E3., = 13:40:47: >>> >>> >>>> Obviously this list is nothing but spam. Is there a place where >>>> >> FreeBSD-based ISPs hang out? >> >>> We are here =3D) >>> >> >> I'll throw my hat in with a "so are we!". >> >> Steve >> >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 18 21:54:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42BD41065672 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:54:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@yoafrica.com) Received: from ns2.yoafrica.com (ns2.yoafrica.com [66.135.41.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091038FC0C for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:54:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@yoafrica.com) Received: from panadol.yoafrica.com ([196.44.176.14]) by ns2.yoafrica.com with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1Lk3dh-00019j-TJ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:49:36 +0200 Received: from smtp.yoafrica.com ([196.44.176.8]) by panadol.yoafrica.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Lk3hi-000PiM-8V; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:53:38 +0200 Received: from [41.190.42.2] (helo=Valhalla) by smtp.yoafrica.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Lk3hi-000D19-2X; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:53:38 +0200 From: "Bruce Grobler" To: "'Heidi Angove'" , "'Eric Morrow'" References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C0E9E3.50405@smithvilledigital.net> <63EC1C2F-9B4A-42BA-A9BC-7CA73E3A5C18@internode.com.au> In-Reply-To: <63EC1C2F-9B4A-42BA-A9BC-7CA73E3A5C18@internode.com.au> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:53:29 +0200 Organization: Yo!Africa Internet Service Pvt Ltd. Message-ID: <000b01c9a813$f9bfee80$ed3fcb80$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcmoE5HBU2dea3VqSRKjEVMzoPMr2QAAEEgQ Content-Language: en-zw Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bruce@yoafrica.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:54:51 -0000 Well there's a plan, Yo!Africa - Zimbabwean ISP =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org = [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Angove Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:34 PM To: Eric Morrow Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? Hello, Internode - Australian ISP On 18/03/2009, at 11:02 PM, Eric Morrow wrote: > Hi. > > :D > > -- > Eric Morrow > Systems Engineer > Core and Commercial Data Services > Smithville Digital > > > > Bruce Grobler wrote: >> We are here!!! >> >> :D >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Bruce Grobler >> Yo!Africa - Network Engineer >> Landline: +263-4-701300, Cellphone: +263-91-2364532 >> Skype ID: bruce.grobler >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org = [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >> ] >> On Behalf Of Steve Bertrand >> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:37 AM >> To: Dennis Yusupoff >> Cc: isp@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: ISPs? >> >> Dennis Yusupoff wrote: >> >>> =C7=E4=F0=E0=E2=F1=F2=E2=F3=E9=F2=E5, Barney. >>> >>> =C2=FB =EF=E8=F1=E0=EB=E8 11 =F4=E5=E2=F0=E0=EB=FF 2009 =E3., = 13:40:47: >>> >>> >>>> Obviously this list is nothing but spam. Is there a place where >>>> >> FreeBSD-based ISPs hang out? >> >>> We are here =3D) >>> >> >> I'll throw my hat in with a "so are we!". >> >> Steve >> >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 04:33:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40A01065673 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:33:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from neil@neely.cx) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661118FC15 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:33:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from neil@neely.cx) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so212298qwb.7 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.45.203 with SMTP id g11mr3270232qaf.16.1237435340245; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?216.17.141.132? (ip-216-17-141-132.rev.frii.com [216.17.141.132]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm1949173ywp.31.2009.03.18.21.02.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:02:24 -0600 From: Neil Neely User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> In-Reply-To: <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:33:24 -0000 We at FRII have been a FreeBSD based ISP since '96 Though we're moving more and more of our operation over to CentOS these days. -- Neil Neely http://neil-neely.blogspot.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 07:20:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70B3106566C for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:20:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from blake@ekalb.net) Received: from rupert.ekalb.net (rupert.ekalb.net [65.49.170.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E228FC0C for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:20:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from blake@ekalb.net) Received: by rupert.ekalb.net (Postfix, from userid 58) id 3E9AD6792C; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:02:14 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on rupert.ekalb.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Received: from [10.1.9.24] (unknown [208.47.103.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by rupert.ekalb.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9B44567929 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:02:10 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: From: Blake Covarrubias To: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:02:09 -0700 References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:21:00 -0000 Hello, I'm with an ISP serving portions AZ and CA, using FreeBSD almost exclusively. -- Blake Covarrubias On Mar 18, 2009, at 9:02 PM, Neil Neely wrote: > We at FRII have been a FreeBSD based ISP since '96 > > Though we're moving more and more of our operation over to CentOS > these days. > -- > Neil Neely > http://neil-neely.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 13:00:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD53106564A for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:00:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian@errxtx.net) Received: from um3k.errxtx.net (um3k.errxtx.net [IPv6:2001:41d0:1:b543::feed:face]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDFF8FC27 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:00:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian@errxtx.net) Received: from pd957c979.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.87.201.121] helo=tok) by um3k.errxtx.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LkHrT-000B3j-Qd for isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:00:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:00:32 +0100 From: Christian Meutes To: isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> In-Reply-To: References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Christian Meutes List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:00:41 -0000 Hi, I guess you guys do this especially for server services e.g. hosting stuff and not really for routing (BGP, OSPF/ISIS etc.), right? --On Donnerstag, 19. M=C3=A4rz 2009 00:02 -0700 Blake Covarrubias=20 wrote: > Hello, > > I'm with an ISP serving portions AZ and CA, using FreeBSD almost > exclusively. > > -- > Blake Covarrubias > > On Mar 18, 2009, at 9:02 PM, Neil Neely wrote: > >> We at FRII have been a FreeBSD based ISP since '96 >> >> Though we're moving more and more of our operation over to CentOS >> these days. >> -- >> Neil Neely >> http://neil-neely.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 13:13:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A67106564A for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:13:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD51C8FC13 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:13:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 75262 invoked by uid 89); 19 Mar 2009 13:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by v6.ibctech.ca with ESMTPA; 19 Mar 2009 13:18:10 -0000 Message-ID: <49C244E0.2020001@ibctech.ca> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:13:04 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christian Meutes References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> In-Reply-To: <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:13:16 -0000 Christian Meutes wrote: > Hi, > > I guess you guys do this especially for server services e.g. hosting stuff > and not really for routing (BGP, OSPF/ISIS etc.), right? Wrong ;) Although we have a hosting arm that uses FreeBSD (and a few Windows boxes). However, I have several edge and RTBH trigger routers that run FreeBSD/Quagga (BGP, OSPF) for our IPv4 and IPv6. So, you are not the only one :) Steve From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 13:38:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42AE5106564A for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:38:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@spekreijse.net) Received: from mail.echelon.nl (mail.echelon.nl [217.119.226.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0379F8FC2F for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:38:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@spekreijse.net) Received: from gate.echelon.nl ([217.119.224.143] helo=[217.119.225.163]) by mail.echelon.nl with esmtpa (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1LkI5T-000I23-A7; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:15:07 +0100 Message-ID: <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:15:13 +0100 From: Peter Spekreijse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> In-Reply-To: <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 217.119.224.143 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: peter@spekreijse.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on mail.echelon.nl); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: Christian Meutes Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:38:09 -0000 Hi, > I guess you guys do this especially for server services e.g. hosting stuff > and not really for routing (BGP, OSPF/ISIS etc.), right? We do use it for routing, using FreeBSD, booting from flash, running completely in RAM. We have created a solid state BGP/OSPF router with FreeBSD. Our border routers run Quagga (bgp and ospf) but we are in the process of moving to OpenBGPD / OpenOSPFD. Our internal routers already use OpenOSPFD. We are using Network Appliances from portwell as hardware (8 * 1 Gbit/sec ethernet). We're in process of testing other appliances. Regards, Peter. AS16350 > --On Donnerstag, 19. März 2009 00:02 -0700 Blake Covarrubias > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I'm with an ISP serving portions AZ and CA, using FreeBSD almost >> exclusively. >> >> -- >> Blake Covarrubias >> >> On Mar 18, 2009, at 9:02 PM, Neil Neely wrote: >> >>> We at FRII have been a FreeBSD based ISP since '96 >>> >>> Though we're moving more and more of our operation over to CentOS >>> these days. >>> -- >>> Neil Neely >>> http://neil-neely.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 13:52:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C7B10656E7 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:52:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from cp8.openaccess.org (cp8.openaccess.org [66.114.42.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5088FC2A for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:52:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from mono-sis1.s.bli.openaccess.org ([66.114.32.149] helo=DeMan.local) by cp8.openaccess.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LkIfi-0005T6-Rg for isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:52:34 -0700 Message-ID: <49C24E21.90001@staff.openaccess.org> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:52:33 -0700 From: "Michael DeMan (OA)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> In-Reply-To: <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cp8.openaccess.org X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - staff.openaccess.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:52:36 -0000 Yes, We use FreeBSD + Quagga. Looks like ECMP will finally be in FreeBSD 8, which is a huge issue for us, unless anybody else has a workaround for: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=182728+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2006/freebsd-net/20060319.freebsd-net Basically, say we have two paths to a given subnet. If a router directly connected to that subnet does not have the interface configured yet, but the router already has a route to that subnet via OSPF (say hopping through a few other routers) then we can not add the directly connected interface. Peter Spekreijse wrote: > > Hi, > > >> I guess you guys do this especially for server services e.g. hosting >> stuff >> and not really for routing (BGP, OSPF/ISIS etc.), right? > > > We do use it for routing, using FreeBSD, booting from flash, running > completely in RAM. We have created a solid state BGP/OSPF router with > FreeBSD. Our border routers run Quagga (bgp and ospf) but we are in > the process of moving to OpenBGPD / OpenOSPFD. Our internal routers > already use OpenOSPFD. We are using Network Appliances from portwell > as hardware (8 * 1 Gbit/sec ethernet). We're in process of testing > other appliances. > > > Regards, > > Peter. > AS16350 > > > >> --On Donnerstag, 19. März 2009 00:02 -0700 Blake Covarrubias >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm with an ISP serving portions AZ and CA, using FreeBSD almost >>> exclusively. >>> >>> -- >>> Blake Covarrubias >>> >>> On Mar 18, 2009, at 9:02 PM, Neil Neely wrote: >>> >>>> We at FRII have been a FreeBSD based ISP since '96 >>>> >>>> Though we're moving more and more of our operation over to CentOS >>>> these days. >>>> -- >>>> Neil Neely >>>> http://neil-neely.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 14:17:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AAD106567B for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:17:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EE9948FC21 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:17:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 81897 invoked by uid 89); 19 Mar 2009 14:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.114?) (steve@ibctech.ca@::ffff:208.70.104.100) by pearl.ibctech.ca with ESMTPA; 19 Mar 2009 14:22:41 -0000 Message-ID: <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:17:34 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Spekreijse References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> In-Reply-To: <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Christian Meutes , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:17:46 -0000 Peter Spekreijse wrote: > > Hi, > > >> I guess you guys do this especially for server services e.g. hosting >> stuff >> and not really for routing (BGP, OSPF/ISIS etc.), right? > > > We do use it for routing, using FreeBSD, booting from flash, running > completely in RAM. We have created a solid state BGP/OSPF router with > FreeBSD. Our border routers run Quagga (bgp and ospf) but we are in the > process of moving to OpenBGPD / OpenOSPFD. Our internal routers already > use OpenOSPFD. We are using Network Appliances from portwell as hardware > (8 * 1 Gbit/sec ethernet). We're in process of testing other appliances. We do the exact same thing, some of our boxes boot from USB thumb stick. What I love about this setup, is that one can clone the flash memory, and have an immediate backup. Not only that, you can boot up any USB bootable hardware and have an instantaneous lab box that replicates the production routers. Test upgrades, major changes, and them roll them back into the production image. Out of curiosity, why are you moving to Open*? Steve From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 14:35:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778971065672 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:35:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@spekreijse.net) Received: from mail.echelon.nl (mail.echelon.nl [217.119.226.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391578FC1B for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:35:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@spekreijse.net) Received: from gate.echelon.nl ([217.119.224.143] helo=[217.119.225.163]) by mail.echelon.nl with esmtpa (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1LkJLM-000NJ0-1l; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:35:36 +0100 Message-ID: <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:35:41 +0100 From: Peter Spekreijse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 217.119.224.143 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: peter@spekreijse.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on mail.echelon.nl); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: Steve Bertrand Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:35:38 -0000 Steve Bertrand schreef: > Peter Spekreijse wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >>> I guess you guys do this especially for server services e.g. hosting >>> stuff >>> and not really for routing (BGP, OSPF/ISIS etc.), right? >> >> We do use it for routing, using FreeBSD, booting from flash, running >> completely in RAM. We have created a solid state BGP/OSPF router with >> FreeBSD. Our border routers run Quagga (bgp and ospf) but we are in the >> process of moving to OpenBGPD / OpenOSPFD. Our internal routers already >> use OpenOSPFD. We are using Network Appliances from portwell as hardware >> (8 * 1 Gbit/sec ethernet). We're in process of testing other appliances. > > We do the exact same thing, some of our boxes boot from USB thumb stick. > > What I love about this setup, is that one can clone the flash memory, > and have an immediate backup. > > Not only that, you can boot up any USB bootable hardware and have an > instantaneous lab box that replicates the production routers. > > Test upgrades, major changes, and them roll them back into the > production image. > > Out of curiosity, why are you moving to Open*? We've two full bgp tables in our border routers (275K+ prefixes per table). The quagga version we use get's real busy if one of our BGP peers disappears suddenly. It starts recalculating the routing table and neglects the BGP sessions. Sometimes the other BGP sessions time-out, then we lose every route. The OpenBGPD BGP daemon is split in three threads and doesn't have this problem. Regards, -- Peter Spekreijse E: peter@spekreijse.net T: +31-742672764 M: +31-641922460 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 15:21:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F341065757 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:21:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@arnold.se) Received: from mailstore.infotropic.com (mailstore.infotropic.com [213.136.34.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE18C8FC23 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:21:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@arnold.se) Received: (qmail 12378 invoked by uid 89); 19 Mar 2009 14:54:31 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 12373, pid: 12375, t: 0.1449s scanners: attach: 1.2.0 clamav: 0.94/m: Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.123.36?) (chris@arnold.se@85.132.191.39) by mailstore.infotropic.com with ESMTPA; 19 Mar 2009 14:54:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:54:28 +0100 (CET) From: Christopher Arnold X-X-Sender: chris@localhost To: Peter Spekreijse In-Reply-To: <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> Message-ID: References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-message-flag: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Outlook_isn=B4t_compliant_with_current_standards_please_install_another_mail_client!?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Steve Bertrand , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:21:14 -0000 On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Peter Spekreijse wrote: >> Peter Spekreijse wrote: >>> We do use it for routing, using FreeBSD, booting from flash, running >>> completely in RAM. We have created a solid state BGP/OSPF router with >>> FreeBSD. Our border routers run Quagga (bgp and ospf) but we are in the >>> process of moving to OpenBGPD / OpenOSPFD. Our internal routers already >>> use OpenOSPFD. We are using Network Appliances from portwell as hardware >>> (8 * 1 Gbit/sec ethernet). We're in process of testing other appliances. >> What thruput and PPS are you seeing on theese? > We've two full bgp tables in our border routers (275K+ prefixes per table). > The quagga version we use get's real busy if one of our BGP peers disappears > suddenly. It starts recalculating the routing table and neglects the BGP > sessions. Sometimes the other BGP sessions time-out, then we lose every > route. > Opps very bad... Have you tried going SMP so one CPU can dio the BGP thread and the other forwarding and updating the route table? Or are you using polling(4)? In that case have you tried to give more % of the CPU to the userland processes? /Chris -- http://www.arnold.se/chris/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 15:35:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336D61065672 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:35:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian@errxtx.net) Received: from um3k.errxtx.net (um3k.errxtx.net [IPv6:2001:41d0:1:b543::feed:face]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB638FC21 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:35:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian@errxtx.net) Received: from pd957c979.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.87.201.121] helo=tok) by um3k.errxtx.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LkKHP-000BCz-Mz; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:35:35 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:35:31 +0100 From: Christian Meutes To: Christopher Arnold , Peter Spekreijse Message-ID: <17AF069575D7E2B24912CFBA@tok> In-Reply-To: References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Steve Bertrand , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Christian Meutes List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:35:38 -0000 I am also very interested in pps with IMIX type of traffic you are having. How does FreeBSD with $preferred_BGP_daemon scales on IX with dozens or=20 hundred of peers and having two or more full feeds? How fast is the convergence in IGP/BGP? And how do you guys do=20 configuration changes without interrupting everything (reloading daemon)? --On Donnerstag, 19. M=C3=A4rz 2009 15:54 +0100 Christopher Arnold=20 wrote: > > > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Peter Spekreijse wrote: > >>> Peter Spekreijse wrote: >>>> We do use it for routing, using FreeBSD, booting from flash, running >>>> completely in RAM. We have created a solid state BGP/OSPF router with >>>> FreeBSD. Our border routers run Quagga (bgp and ospf) but we are in = the >>>> process of moving to OpenBGPD / OpenOSPFD. Our internal routers = already >>>> use OpenOSPFD. We are using Network Appliances from portwell as >>>> hardware (8 * 1 Gbit/sec ethernet). We're in process of testing other >>>> appliances. >>> > What thruput and PPS are you seeing on theese? > >> We've two full bgp tables in our border routers (275K+ prefixes per >> table). The quagga version we use get's real busy if one of our BGP >> peers disappears suddenly. It starts recalculating the routing table >> and neglects the BGP sessions. Sometimes the other BGP sessions >> time-out, then we lose every route. >> > Opps very bad... > > Have you tried going SMP so one CPU can dio the BGP thread and the other > forwarding and updating the route table? > > Or are you using polling(4)? In that case have you tried to give more % > of the CPU to the userland processes? > > /Chris > > -- > http://www.arnold.se/chris/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 15:55:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3655106564A for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:55:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@yoafrica.com) Received: from ns2.yoafrica.com (ns2.yoafrica.com [66.135.41.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BBA8FC1A for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:55:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@yoafrica.com) Received: from panadol.yoafrica.com ([196.44.176.14]) by ns2.yoafrica.com with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1LkKVD-0005dN-A6; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:49:53 +0200 Received: from smtp.yoafrica.com ([196.44.176.8]) by panadol.yoafrica.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LkKUw-0003Me-IM; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:49:35 +0200 Received: from valhalla.yoafrica.com ([196.44.177.58] helo=Valhalla) by smtp.yoafrica.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LkITL-000MkM-I2; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:39:47 +0200 From: "Bruce Grobler" To: "'Steve Bertrand'" , "'Christian Meutes'" References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C244E0.2020001@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: <49C244E0.2020001@ibctech.ca> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:39:38 +0200 Organization: Yo!Africa Internet Service Pvt Ltd. Message-ID: <000301c9a898$265b41e0$7311c5a0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcmolJEd2M9J22CAS6OJY9+fRs15DQAA2H5g Content-Language: en-zw Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bruce@yoafrica.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:55:05 -0000 Hmmm, we use a different approach, FreeBSD for our server's (exclusively besides for that one windows box :D), and cisco for all the routing & switching. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Steve Bertrand Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:13 PM To: Christian Meutes Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? Christian Meutes wrote: > Hi, > > I guess you guys do this especially for server services e.g. hosting stuff > and not really for routing (BGP, OSPF/ISIS etc.), right? Wrong ;) Although we have a hosting arm that uses FreeBSD (and a few Windows boxes). However, I have several edge and RTBH trigger routers that run FreeBSD/Quagga (BGP, OSPF) for our IPv4 and IPv6. So, you are not the only one :) Steve _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 17:12:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AAF31065687 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:12:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from blake@ekalb.net) Received: from rupert.ekalb.net (rupert.ekalb.net [65.49.170.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6C18FC0A for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:12:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from blake@ekalb.net) Received: by rupert.ekalb.net (Postfix, from userid 58) id D0A4467939; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:12:25 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on rupert.ekalb.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Received: from [10.1.9.24] (unknown [208.47.103.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by rupert.ekalb.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4442661C55 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:12:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <97D7A096-8D44-4515-B619-74A96D45D4C6@ekalb.net> From: Blake Covarrubias To: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <000301c9a898$265b41e0$7311c5a0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:12:23 -0700 References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C244E0.2020001@ibctech.ca> <000301c9a898$265b41e0$7311c5a0$@com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:12:26 -0000 On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Bruce Grobler wrote: > Hmmm, we use a different approach, FreeBSD for our server's > (exclusively > besides for that one windows box :D), and cisco for all the routing & > switching. Same. Most of our servers are Unix-based with our routing and switching done on Cisco, except for two OpenBSD machines (CARP, pfsync). We have a few Linux machines doing stuff like Xen, L7-Filter, and running vendor proprietary software. I'm hoping to replace the Linux L7-Filter machine with FreeBSD running ipfw-classifyd as soon as it becomes stable. -- Blake Covarrubias From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 17:29:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E67106564A for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:29:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian@errxtx.net) Received: from um3k.errxtx.net (um3k.errxtx.net [IPv6:2001:41d0:1:b543::feed:face]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F7F8FC0C for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:29:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian@errxtx.net) Received: from pd957c9d2.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.87.201.210] helo=tok) by um3k.errxtx.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LkM3e-000BK3-1R; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:29:30 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:29:27 +0100 From: Christian Meutes To: Robert Blayzor , isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <5AB259F1E8FF821DE71DD070@tok> In-Reply-To: <2248A227-6C54-44BC-A376-D0C655E0FA3E@inoc.net> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> <17AF069575D7E2B24912CFBA@tok> <2248A227-6C54-44BC-A376-D0C655E0FA3E@inoc.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Christian Meutes List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:29:33 -0000 Hi, --On Donnerstag, 19. M=C3=A4rz 2009 12:56 -0400 Robert Blayzor=20 wrote: > I'm sure FreeBSD (or any *nix based platform for that matter) can > probably smoke most routers control planes when it comes to routing > tables and convergence if properly built on the right hardware. Take one > quad core processor with 4GB of RAM and you can probably handle 100's if > not thousands of peers and a dozen+ full route views. true, in theory a uptodate x86 CPU is very fast in software stuff and = should handle hundred of peers without any problems. But what is with the reality? Its not only about hardware, its about the right implementation too. We all know how "fast" and "bugfree" windows is on highend PCs ;-) > The big question is PPS forwarding. Where most high performance routers > do this with ASIC's, the actual packet forwarding THROUGH the device is > in hardware and completely off the CPU.... FreeBSD has to do it in > software, so that's where it loses BIG. Ciscos new software platform, the ASR1000, does everything in software. Its in theory the perfect edge device, if it would be already bugfree and would have all the features and hardware support the others have. I believe it=20 routes linerate 10GE, can has ACLs, QoS and all the sophisticated stuff enabled at the same time. Beside pps in which iam very interested its also operation of routers=20 without downtime in cause of small configuration changes. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 17:53:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B38106564A for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:53:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rblayzor.bulk@inoc.net) Received: from mail2.albyny.inoc.net (mail2.albyny.inoc.net [64.22.32.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A888FC15 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:53:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rblayzor.bulk@inoc.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=inoc.net; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date; b=opKaHuHhTV5naFpADCK7H8WFDR3gLGWqwmzTxPPs3tN4pp2fxhJHuO7TahpUE7umUVK39TA3iYymsuvklEV+uKFknF0AaFMuTkuRcFR2PPTwBROzY1ptG8+Z4BR5NU1VzK4D0AjAQpOCk94RosgifWDBL3utt8f+e8aISyi95Zo=; Received: from void.ops.inoc.net (vanguard.noc.albyny.inoc.net [64.246.135.8]) by mail2.albyny.inoc.net (build v9.2.12) with ESMTP id 1076266-1941382 for multiple; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: From: Robert Blayzor To: Christian Meutes In-Reply-To: <5AB259F1E8FF821DE71DD070@tok> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:37:16 -0400 References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> <17AF069575D7E2B24912CFBA@tok> <2248A227-6C54-44BC-A376-D0C655E0FA3E@inoc.net> <5AB259F1E8FF821DE71DD070@tok> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:53:28 -0000 On Mar 19, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Christian Meutes wrote: > Ciscos new software platform, the ASR1000, does everything in > software. Its > in theory the perfect edge device, if it would be already bugfree > and would > have all the features and hardware support the others have. I > believe it routes > linerate 10GE, can has ACLs, QoS and all the sophisticated stuff > enabled at > the same time. I don't think that's true. I believe the ASR's are very hardware assisted by the route processor. (the control plane is completely isolated). I believe the SIP is what actually handles the forwarding via hardware. Also the fact you can do in-service software upgrades leads me to believe that router has hardware based forwarding as well. Line-rate 10GE with all the ACL's/QoS/MPLS/L2TP/encryption, etc. only in software would be very difficult to do in software without installing a furnace in the rack! ;-) -- Robert Blayzor, BOFH INOC, LLC rblayzor@inoc.net http://www.inoc.net/~rblayzor/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 19:10:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F35C106575A for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian@errxtx.net) Received: from um3k.errxtx.net (um3k.errxtx.net [IPv6:2001:41d0:1:b543::feed:face]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0658FC21 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:10:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian@errxtx.net) Received: from pd957c9d2.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.87.201.210] helo=tok) by um3k.errxtx.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LkNdH-000BPd-HB; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:10:23 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:10:20 +0100 From: Christian Meutes To: "Alex H. Ryu" Message-ID: <103304E3680B5E3079B1B03F@tok> In-Reply-To: <49C29031.3080700@ieee.org> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> <17AF069575D7E2B24912CFBA@tok> <2248A227-6C54-44BC-A376-D0C655E0FA3E@inoc.net> <5AB259F1E8FF821DE71DD070@tok> <49C29031.3080700@ieee.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: isp@freebsd.org, Robert Blayzor Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Christian Meutes List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:10:31 -0000 Hi, --On Donnerstag, 19. M=C3=A4rz 2009 13:34 -0500 "Alex H. Ryu"=20 wrote: > Cisco ASR1000 uses embedded linux, but also uses ASIC level special chip > to archive line-rate processing, which Juniper and other vendors adapted > long time ago. > > Performance will be varied how far you can tune the system for optimal > performance. what do you mean by that "uses ASIC level special chip"? ASICs are also used in a wide variety in cisco products since years, e.g. PFC/Sup/6500/7600, GSRs, CRS etc.. ASRs uses the Quantum Flow Processor - maybe it also uses some asics but the main focus lies in that platform on the software architecture part. The problem many hardware architectures have is the flexibility and "simplicity" of feature/software implementation which are often just not possible in many hardware architectures or very hard to implement and take years until working. The ASR has nearly the same features as a VXR, which is ciscos swiss-army-knife in terms of features so its a bit different then the other hardware products around... From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 19:10:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B13E106574C for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:10:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.hyunseog@ieee.org) Received: from jushin.moonworld.org (icarus.norlight.net [69.8.143.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BA68FC16 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:10:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.hyunseog@ieee.org) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (unassigned.norlight.net [69.8.143.116] (may be forged)) by jushin.moonworld.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n2JIbnFt011394; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:37:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from r.hyunseog@ieee.org) Message-ID: <49C29031.3080700@ieee.org> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:34:25 -0500 From: "Alex H. Ryu" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christian Meutes References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> <17AF069575D7E2B24912CFBA@tok> <2248A227-6C54-44BC-A376-D0C655E0FA3E@inoc.net> <5AB259F1E8FF821DE71DD070@tok> In-Reply-To: <5AB259F1E8FF821DE71DD070@tok> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: isp@freebsd.org, Robert Blayzor Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:10:43 -0000 Cisco ASR1000 uses embedded linux, but also uses ASIC level special chip to archive line-rate processing, which Juniper and other vendors adapted long time ago. Performance will be varied how far you can tune the system for optimal performance. Alex Christian Meutes wrote: > Hi, > > --On Donnerstag, 19. März 2009 12:56 -0400 Robert Blayzor > wrote: > >> I'm sure FreeBSD (or any *nix based platform for that matter) can >> probably smoke most routers control planes when it comes to routing >> tables and convergence if properly built on the right hardware. Take one >> quad core processor with 4GB of RAM and you can probably handle 100's if >> not thousands of peers and a dozen+ full route views. > > true, in theory a uptodate x86 CPU is very fast in software stuff and > should > handle hundred of peers without any problems. But what is with the > reality? > Its not only about hardware, its about the right implementation too. > We all > know how "fast" and "bugfree" windows is on highend PCs ;-) > >> The big question is PPS forwarding. Where most high performance routers >> do this with ASIC's, the actual packet forwarding THROUGH the device is >> in hardware and completely off the CPU.... FreeBSD has to do it in >> software, so that's where it loses BIG. > > Ciscos new software platform, the ASR1000, does everything in > software. Its > in theory the perfect edge device, if it would be already bugfree and > would > have all the features and hardware support the others have. I believe > it routes > linerate 10GE, can has ACLs, QoS and all the sophisticated stuff > enabled at > the same time. > > Beside pps in which iam very interested its also operation of routers > without > downtime in cause of small configuration changes. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 19:52:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B8410656C0 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:52:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.hyunseog@ieee.org) Received: from jushin.moonworld.org (icarus.norlight.net [69.8.143.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497F98FC1F for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:52:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.hyunseog@ieee.org) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (unassigned.norlight.net [69.8.143.116] (may be forged)) by jushin.moonworld.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n2JJtQv8011640; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:55:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from r.hyunseog@ieee.org) Message-ID: <49C2A265.7030501@ieee.org> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:52:05 -0500 From: "Alex H. Ryu" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christian Meutes References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> <17AF069575D7E2B24912CFBA@tok> <2248A227-6C54-44BC-A376-D0C655E0FA3E@inoc.net> <5AB259F1E8FF821DE71DD070@tok> <49C29031.3080700@ieee.org> <103304E3680B5E3079B1B03F@tok> In-Reply-To: <103304E3680B5E3079B1B03F@tok> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: isp@freebsd.org, Robert Blayzor Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:52:17 -0000 I think big thing for ASR1000 is QFP as you said. Cisco uses ASIC chip for some time, but unlike Juniper and other vendors, Cisco IOS still rely on main CPU for a lot of features for most of their products. For VXR platform and other legacy Cisco routers, I still see the occasion that CPU is highly involved in traffic forwarding. For an example, when BGP scanner is running, I see high latency from the router. >From that viewpoint, QFP was improved a lot. When vendor uses ASIC chip, real difference is coming from what they put in ASIC chip. >From my experience, Cisco IOS is not well separated the function for routing control plane and forwarding plane. Nowadays most of routers have two distinct functions - routing control plane, and actual forwarding plane -. Using FreeBSD for router will be fine for routing control plane, but most benefit you can get from commercial router product is that they have special hardware to process forwarding plan separated from routing control plane, and most traffic doesn't need to be touched by main CPU. Alex Christian Meutes wrote: > Hi, > > --On Donnerstag, 19. März 2009 13:34 -0500 "Alex H. Ryu" > wrote: > >> Cisco ASR1000 uses embedded linux, but also uses ASIC level special chip >> to archive line-rate processing, which Juniper and other vendors adapted >> long time ago. >> >> Performance will be varied how far you can tune the system for optimal >> performance. > > what do you mean by that "uses ASIC level special chip"? > ASICs are also used in a wide variety in cisco products since years, > e.g. PFC/Sup/6500/7600, GSRs, CRS etc.. > > ASRs uses the Quantum Flow Processor - maybe it also uses some asics > but the main focus lies in that platform on the software architecture > part. The problem many hardware architectures have is the flexibility > and "simplicity" of feature/software implementation which are often > just not possible in many hardware architectures or very hard to > implement > and take years until working. The ASR has nearly the same features > as a VXR, which is ciscos swiss-army-knife in terms of features so its > a bit different then the other hardware products around... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 22:56:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D02106566B for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:56:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 084948FC17 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:56:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 36055 invoked by uid 89); 19 Mar 2009 23:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.114?) (steve@ibctech.ca@::ffff:208.70.104.100) by pearl.ibctech.ca with ESMTPA; 19 Mar 2009 23:01:52 -0000 Message-ID: <49C2CDAC.60500@ibctech.ca> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:56:44 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Arnold References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Peter Spekreijse , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:56:55 -0000 Christopher Arnold wrote: > > > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Peter Spekreijse wrote: > >>> Peter Spekreijse wrote: >>>> We do use it for routing, using FreeBSD, booting from flash, running >>>> completely in RAM. We have created a solid state BGP/OSPF router with >>>> FreeBSD. Our border routers run Quagga (bgp and ospf) but we are in the >>>> process of moving to OpenBGPD / OpenOSPFD. Our internal routers already >>>> use OpenOSPFD. We are using Network Appliances from portwell as >>>> hardware >>>> (8 * 1 Gbit/sec ethernet). We're in process of testing other >>>> appliances. >>> > What thruput and PPS are you seeing on theese? In production, at 0.00% interrupt, 686Mbps, <2% load, 133Kpps. > >> We've two full bgp tables in our border routers (275K+ prefixes per >> table). The quagga version we use get's real busy if one of our BGP >> peers disappears suddenly. It starts recalculating the routing table >> and neglects the BGP sessions. Sometimes the other BGP sessions >> time-out, then we lose every route. >> > Opps very bad... > > Have you tried going SMP so one CPU can dio the BGP thread and the other > forwarding and updating the route table? Unfortunately, I don't do full v4 routes yet, only IPv6. That said, next week I will be turning up my first IPv4 session that will receive full routes. It would be handy to test this out before deploying in full production. Out of curiosity, is there anyone here who could possibly help out this ISP do a test? Is anyone in a position to possibly eBGP multi-hop a full table to a route server I have internally here? Of course I would completely null-route the learnt routes, obey any no-export communities, and forbid my internal route server from distributing the routes into the network. Nice to see some ISP discussion for a change ;) Steve From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 23:06:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38116106566C for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:06:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@arnold.se) Received: from mailstore.infotropic.com (mailstore.infotropic.com [213.136.34.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882DD8FC08 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:06:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@arnold.se) Received: (qmail 43810 invoked by uid 89); 19 Mar 2009 23:06:04 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 43805, pid: 43807, t: 0.1180s scanners: attach: 1.2.0 clamav: 0.94/m: Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.123.36?) (chris@arnold.se@85.132.191.39) by mailstore.infotropic.com with ESMTPA; 19 Mar 2009 23:06:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:06:03 +0100 (CET) From: Christopher Arnold X-X-Sender: chris@localhost To: Steve Bertrand In-Reply-To: <49C2CDAC.60500@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> <49C2CDAC.60500@ibctech.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-message-flag: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Outlook_isn=B4t_compliant_with_current_standards_please_install_another_mail_client!?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:06:06 -0000 On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Christopher Arnold wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Peter Spekreijse wrote: >> >>>> Peter Spekreijse wrote: >>>>> We do use it for routing, using FreeBSD, booting from flash, running >>>>> completely in RAM. We have created a solid state BGP/OSPF router with >>>>> FreeBSD. Our border routers run Quagga (bgp and ospf) but we are in the >>>>> process of moving to OpenBGPD / OpenOSPFD. Our internal routers already >>>>> use OpenOSPFD. We are using Network Appliances from portwell as >>>>> hardware >>>>> (8 * 1 Gbit/sec ethernet). We're in process of testing other >>>>> appliances. >>>> >> What thruput and PPS are you seeing on theese? > > In production, at 0.00% interrupt, 686Mbps, <2% load, 133Kpps. > How many interfaces are you routing inbetween? Btw, what are the ballpark prices for those appliances. Please reply offline if you fell it is sensitive to share. > That said, next week I will be turning up my first IPv4 session that > will receive full routes. It would be handy to test this out before > deploying in full production. > > Out of curiosity, is there anyone here who could possibly help out this > ISP do a test? > > Is anyone in a position to possibly eBGP multi-hop a full table to a > route server I have internally here? Of course I would completely > null-route the learnt routes, obey any no-export communities, and forbid > my internal route server from distributing the routes into the network. > Shure no problem, give me a host and you will receive a table from London. AS39779 ip 87.117.214.90 > Nice to see some ISP discussion for a change ;) > Very nice. /Chris From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 23:17:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06723106566C for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:17:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 994D28FC19 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:17:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 38371 invoked by uid 89); 19 Mar 2009 23:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.114?) (steve@ibctech.ca@::ffff:208.70.104.100) by pearl.ibctech.ca with ESMTPA; 19 Mar 2009 23:22:47 -0000 Message-ID: <49C2D293.6070507@ibctech.ca> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:17:39 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Arnold References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> <49C2CDAC.60500@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:17:50 -0000 Christopher Arnold wrote: >>> What thruput and PPS are you seeing on theese? >> >> In production, at 0.00% interrupt, 686Mbps, <2% load, 133Kpps. >> > How many interfaces are you routing inbetween? Currently: - 7 physical 'em' - 6 loopback - 1 discard - 14 sub-ints off of the em devices > Btw, what are the ballpark prices for those appliances. Please reply > offline if you fell it is sensitive to share. This particular one: http://www.mikrotikrouter.com/732.asp I paid ~$1500 CDN for. I have other custom ones, and even some that are simply 2U servers stuffed with NICs. I'm sure I could get up to 500Kpps if I really tried. >> Is anyone in a position to possibly eBGP multi-hop a full table to a >> route server I have internally here? Of course I would completely >> null-route the learnt routes, obey any no-export communities, and forbid >> my internal route server from distributing the routes into the network. >> > Shure no problem, give me a host and you will receive a table from London. > AS39779 ip 87.117.214.90 Wow! Beautiful! 208.70.111.101 AS14270 I'll have this set up this evening ;) >> Nice to see some ISP discussion for a change ;) >> > Very nice. Myself, I could do without the server-side stuff anymore. I really enjoy the network side of things. I'm pushing us through a relatively major transformation in our network right now from topology down. I'm glad this discussion came up, as some people give you a virtual dirty look when you say you are a smaller ISP and use host-based routers to push packets. Cheers! Steve From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 20 00:08:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509E7106566B for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:08:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A46038FC13 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:08:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 43623 invoked by uid 89); 20 Mar 2009 00:13:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by v6.ibctech.ca with ESMTPA; 20 Mar 2009 00:13:17 -0000 Message-ID: <49C2DE69.2070409@ibctech.ca> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:08:09 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Arnold References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> <49C2CDAC.60500@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:08:20 -0000 Christopher Arnold wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Steve Bertrand wrote: >> Is anyone in a position to possibly eBGP multi-hop a full table to a >> route server I have internally here? Of course I would completely >> null-route the learnt routes, obey any no-export communities, and forbid >> my internal route server from distributing the routes into the network. >> > Shure no problem, give me a host and you will receive a table from London. > AS39779 ip 87.117.214.90 Chris, given that you provided your info publicly, I figured you wouldn't mind me providing my config to the list. Before I do, I'd like to share a thought I had, to see if there is any interest. I have two dual-CPU, 4GB servers sitting in my lab idle. These units can be expanded to 32GB of RAM. Both of the boxes are identical Rackable Systems units. If there is enough interest, perhaps we could configure these units up, one with FreeBSD/Quagga, and the other with Open*, and feed these boxes with as many full tables as we collectively can. I could then set up lab networks in behind each one, and test things such as convergence time and the like. We could also use this as a test to measure how particular OS 'tweaks' affect routers with a large scale of peers and tables. If others are interested in such a project, let me know. It would be a community effort, so access to the boxes via the management plane would obviously be available. Anyway, here is my quick & dirty peering arrangement for the route server: bgp router-id 208.70.111.101 neighbor rs-feeds peer-group neighbor rs-feeds ebgp-multihop 254 neighbor rs-feeds update-source lo101 neighbor rs-feeds soft-reconfiguration inbound neighbor rs-feeds maximum-prefix 310000 neighbor rs-feeds prefix-list TESTING-DENY-OUT out neighbor rs-feeds route-map ROUTE-SERVER-IN in neighbor 87.117.214.90 remote-as 39779 neighbor 87.117.214.90 description RS Peer chris@arnold.se route-map ROUTE-SERVER-IN permit 10 set community no-export no-advertise additive set ip next-hop 192.0.2.2 ip prefix-list TESTING-DENY-OUT seq 5 deny 0.0.0.0/0 le 32 ...and the platform currently (this is one USB thumb stick image I haven't upgraded yet): # zebra -v zebra version 0.99.11 (running bgpd, ospf, zebra, vtysh) # uname -a FreeBSD rs.eagle.ca 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0: Fri Aug 29 12:46:00 EDT 2008 Steve