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(bryan@shatow.net@10.10.0.115) by sweb.xzibition.com with ESMTPA; 2 Sep 2012 12:51:03 -0500 Message-ID: <50439C74.9020402@shatow.net> Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 12:50:44 -0500 From: Bryan Drewery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.4 OpenPGP: id=3C9B0CF9; url=http://www.shatow.net/bryan/bryan.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: cvsup6.us.freebsd.org issues? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 17:51:05 -0000 Is something up with cvsup6? Connecting to cvsup6.us.freebsd.org Connected to 2001:4978:1:420::cc09:3752 Invalid greeting from server Last night I connected over IPv4 and received "Connection Refused" Bryan From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 2 17:53:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C14106566C for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 17:53:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toasty@dragondata.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE318FC08 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 17:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ialo14 with SMTP id o14so8981592ial.13 for ; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 10:53:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dragondata.com; s=google; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=KEpOE9mX82esHHMlw+2kra5M5gyoRMMld1v3fr1oGss=; b=D0+T1pjhMbkfh9OxgfgX5hzVx74pI8XmwRaI6tblVFUrlzZZ8F995CcncAAF8JLEo9 AqiZqW/DBiKPu9b5Y6QTF/UP51KZl5RbX5PHfwKkomOv+5rCl/gjQqViYTw6aMNkhEbH 3d9PYCYyd3SGmc5i134XxR/b2j/s/9hclgmA8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=KEpOE9mX82esHHMlw+2kra5M5gyoRMMld1v3fr1oGss=; b=XRc9Jy/G9SH1Js+lPUp9ocw2tiGWUnoxS/GGY8w2/hUHqapq5u06DMqlBepQgceCEe TxwNhn39sRdMIi2mgQ/flNkPnLbrzK/x27SkLTNApuaL+PWGBd3p5SIx53SboGC4yFpd EEiink+8yaJGC6U1VALM+31BSHpm8EIBAoEOoSkGsNY4gbhCzihnc3Z+1Thjx4gfUS5k KnYWQJ8Vok72Z0mxPyXCnaXC5CrLk6T9Sc0QRcd5/egV4IMTlhWVI7a2FD8VD88jd+3i oeZZmYwyonvv1eBAAiWhmauL5gveJwl36e/qZ6Xe2Pg0Om6hhjYyHJMKuscC9WBaBZvj JlRw== Received: by 10.50.187.233 with SMTP id fv9mr6606273igc.18.1346608394598; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 10:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vpn132.rw1.your.org (vpn132.rw1.your.org. [204.9.51.132]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm14498280igf.11.2012.09.02.10.53.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 02 Sep 2012 10:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1486\)) From: Kevin Day In-Reply-To: <50439C74.9020402@shatow.net> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 12:53:10 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <29A18B58-527F-44EA-8535-8A88F62E7E0E@dragondata.com> References: <50439C74.9020402@shatow.net> To: Bryan Drewery X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1486) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQld2Y3Lc++lZULh9gngTeF58SsiuAIdoDeVlQ2cdg/jzvXMuBCwCu8Z3ffgnr/YIiP/vDTG Cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsup6.us.freebsd.org issues? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 17:53:15 -0000 Looks like cvsupd crashed. Restarted it and all looks good now. Let me = know if you're still having problems. On Sep 2, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Bryan Drewery wrote: > Is something up with cvsup6? >=20 > Connecting to cvsup6.us.freebsd.org > Connected to 2001:4978:1:420::cc09:3752 > Invalid greeting from server >=20 > Last night I connected over IPv4 and received "Connection Refused" >=20 > Bryan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hubs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-hubs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 2 17:59:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A2F106566C for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 17:59:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bryan@shatow.net) Received: from secure.xzibition.com (secure.xzibition.com [173.160.118.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0E18FC12 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 17:59:40 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=shatow.net; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=sweb; b=pc4/Bn aXLtdUY8YOORveGEHuAqtibzuZDqTcWrOyJ1ZoecDChjXy7gxA05OBDUPT973qv8 w1rZKKU5yOm9fObowkD5S07cC58pw//q5bYj2YcaOfgBmFZpq75ReJFzvu49GeQe FHZ5WM03l31jrbyOSLZjyoE1/8xSYDaIFs/aY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=shatow.net; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=sweb; bh=msteI+SCk40T Z2iHHskLJreHfY6ayMt7zpid7WA5T3k=; b=WO+tJv5o1sJ/1EIT9d39CI1K6Hhr 583e9VicHA1wGn11CjvBn3DU4Wht7dSwUV1fzDomB/x2MXYwEcRkCT86Qnd8f2kx P3rcFbmfOudFh/n/QXuTeqBDZw76frKD6bkmxCWx6DvgXRb4klWrAyXUFLWUb3pt 2CBghKcLfc5H8Do= Received: (qmail 35606 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2012 12:59:39 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.10.0.115?) (bryan@shatow.net@10.10.0.115) by sweb.xzibition.com with ESMTPA; 2 Sep 2012 12:59:39 -0500 Message-ID: <50439E77.8020202@shatow.net> Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 12:59:19 -0500 From: Bryan Drewery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Day References: <50439C74.9020402@shatow.net> <29A18B58-527F-44EA-8535-8A88F62E7E0E@dragondata.com> In-Reply-To: <29A18B58-527F-44EA-8535-8A88F62E7E0E@dragondata.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.4 OpenPGP: id=3C9B0CF9; url=http://www.shatow.net/bryan/bryan.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsup6.us.freebsd.org issues? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 17:59:41 -0000 On 9/2/2012 12:53 PM, Kevin Day wrote: > Looks like cvsupd crashed. Restarted it and all looks good now. Let me know if you're still having problems. That fixed it. Thanks for the quick reply! > > On Sep 2, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Bryan Drewery wrote: > >> Is something up with cvsup6? >> >> Connecting to cvsup6.us.freebsd.org >> Connected to 2001:4978:1:420::cc09:3752 >> Invalid greeting from server >> >> Last night I connected over IPv4 and received "Connection Refused" >> >> Bryan -- Regards, Bryan Drewery bdrewery@freenode/EFNet From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 2 21:13:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2944106566C for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 21:13:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dohd.org) Received: from mx.terantula.net (mx.terantula.nl [80.255.244.205]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCA58FC08 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 21:13:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx.terantula.net (mx.terantula.nl [80.255.244.205]) by mx.terantula.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E758FC11 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 23:13:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at terantula.nl Received: from nala.dohd.org (mail.dohd.org [IPv6:2001:470:d19e::25]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.terantula.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 837AB8FC10 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 23:13:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eeyore.local.dohd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nala.dohd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287D27EA00 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 23:13:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at dohd.org Received: by nala.dohd.org (Postfix, from userid 1008) id 0F9167E9FB; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 23:12:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 23:12:50 +0200 From: Mark Huizer To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120902211250.GA96570@eeyore.local.dohd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: cvsup2.nl.freebsd.org down for the next 2 weeks X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 21:13:29 -0000 cvsup2.nl.freebsd.org will unfortunately be down until I get back to .nl -- Nice testing in little China... From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 5 08:18:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6249F106566C; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 08:18:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sergey.dyatko@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55D68FC08; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 08:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eeke52 with SMTP id e52so99207eek.13 for ; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:18:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tKNayC6hyvj75ciyZ0WVoWP5rB4AkVN6iru2RFzsQHs=; b=XtjbhE74FmbOFaOKlxivrXW0AJdqbckJRRfLFbeTW2W9TI0da11WCwLgyDGRKC/B5C eHstaI8ElzCG0iiFnbFBTL6Kv95SbJmle6WBpWsc6elZ7FPW1vWq5xY0mlFp6heQkFOK 3fJt6U1E6CfW5IgEXyORc3Bd3LLHI7m8WTC7F2Z/wNoE7BR5InlDTiG3L0Z+qhy1x7BM UBflN6ZHgDCoTRnSxHSu7w7/+yVJ/sCZu90r2/4XYcet5zJ5260xqNBJlPoQ7QzoJDFH 70zgr0egWUeEKOU7ZH0DuBpiW3v6pflw60ZmdrWpqi7cMGT8pmDKlupFTuhxwyetlS7R Y/SA== Received: by 10.14.223.9 with SMTP id u9mr29533327eep.10.1346833138020; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop (m-s.agava.net. [195.222.84.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k49sm2102361een.4.2012.09.05.01.18.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:20:13 +0300 From: "Sergey V. Dyatko" To: hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120905112013.2d44783c@laptop> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: clusteradm@freebsd.org Subject: pkgng mirrors X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 08:18:59 -0000 Hi, Today I setup test jail on my laptop with head/amd64 and trying to use pkgng, as I can see we have just one(?) host for pkgbeta.freebsd.org: pkgbeta.freebsd.org. 3600 IN CNAME ftp.dk.freebsd.org. ftp.dk.freebsd.org. 3600 IN CNAME ftp.beastie.tdk.net. ftp.beastie.tdk.net. 80 IN A 193.162.146.4 that host doesn't respond 'quickly' (for me): [tiger@laptop]:~%curl -w '%{time_total}: %{time_connect} %{time_starttransfer} %{size_download} \n' -s -o /dev/null 'http://pkgbeta.freebsd.org' 18,988: 0,003 18,988 3126 I have some 'free' resources for mirroring and ready to become official mirror. That host: * already have full ftp mirror (synced @daily from ftp5.ru.freebsd.org) * available via rsync/ftp/http for everyone * have 2x1Gbit interfaces, powered 24x7 * available free disk space 1.4T In private mail bapt@ wrote "Package beta, is temporary and will be removed quite soon (I hope)". So my questions is: 1) when it will be removed? 2) I'm confused... Is the project does not need more resources ? (5.2 on [1]). [1] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/hubs/mirror-official.html -- wbr, tiger From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 5 08:43:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485BD106566B; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 08:43:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@exonetric.com) Received: from relay.exonetric.net (relay0.exonetric.net [178.250.72.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C00E8FC0C; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 08:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from markimac.fairfx.local (unknown [62.244.179.74]) by relay.exonetric.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2BB842C2D5; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 09:43:26 +0100 (BST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1486\)) From: Mark Blackman In-Reply-To: <20120905112013.2d44783c@laptop> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 09:43:29 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <09CB99A0-75BC-426C-BD44-9ACC7CD741D1@exonetric.com> References: <20120905112013.2d44783c@laptop> To: "Sergey V. Dyatko" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1486) Cc: hubs@freebsd.org, clusteradm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkgng mirrors X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 08:43:34 -0000 On 5 Sep 2012, at 09:20, "Sergey V. Dyatko" = wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Today I setup test jail on my laptop with head/amd64 and trying to use > pkgng, as I can see we have just one(?) host for pkgbeta.freebsd.org: >=20 > pkgbeta.freebsd.org. 3600 IN CNAME ftp.dk.freebsd.org. > ftp.dk.freebsd.org. 3600 IN CNAME ftp.beastie.tdk.net. > ftp.beastie.tdk.net. 80 IN A 193.162.146.4 >=20 > that host doesn't respond 'quickly' (for me): > [tiger@laptop]:~%curl -w '%{time_total}: %{time_connect} > %{time_starttransfer} %{size_download} \n' -s -o /dev/null > 'http://pkgbeta.freebsd.org' > 18,988: 0,003 18,988 3126=20 > I have some 'free' resources for mirroring and ready to become = official > mirror.=20 >=20 > That host: > * already have full ftp mirror (synced @daily from > ftp5.ru.freebsd.org) > * available via rsync/ftp/http for everyone=20 > * have 2x1Gbit interfaces, powered 24x7 > * available free disk space 1.4T >=20 > In private mail bapt@ wrote "Package beta, is temporary and will be > removed quite soon (I hope)". > So my questions is: > 1) when it will be removed? > 2) I'm confused... Is the project does not need more resources ? (5.2 > on [1]). I believe the plan is to move to a small set of globally distributed pkgng mirrors which are directly administered by those @freebsd.org, = while leaving the existing ad-hoc mirrors in place. See.. = http://wiki.freebsd.org/201208DevSummit?action=3DAttachFile&do=3Dget&targe= t=3Dclusteradm_DevSummit201208_Presentation.key As for schedules, that's less clear, other than quite soon (2-3 months?) - Mark= From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 5 09:54:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E33106566B; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 09:54:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from mx1.sbone.de (bird.sbone.de [46.4.1.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DBC8FC08; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 09:54:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.sbone.de (mail.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 570B425D39FF; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 09:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70126BE84BD; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 09:54:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sbone.de Received: from mail.sbone.de ([IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) by content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 96sXNOOAbZil; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 09:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nv.sbone.de (nv.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 29030BE84BA; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 09:54:34 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 09:54:33 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" To: hubs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <09CB99A0-75BC-426C-BD44-9ACC7CD741D1@exonetric.com> Message-ID: References: <20120905112013.2d44783c@laptop> <09CB99A0-75BC-426C-BD44-9ACC7CD741D1@exonetric.com> X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x14003F198FEFA3E77207EE8D2B58B8F83CCF1842 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Cluster Administrators Subject: Re: pkgng mirrors X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 09:54:41 -0000 On Wed, 5 Sep 2012, Mark Blackman wrote: Hi, > On 5 Sep 2012, at 09:20, "Sergey V. Dyatko" wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Today I setup test jail on my laptop with head/amd64 and trying to use >> pkgng, as I can see we have just one(?) host for pkgbeta.freebsd.org: >> .... >> that host doesn't respond 'quickly' (for me): ... >> I have some 'free' resources for mirroring and ready to become official >> mirror. ... >> In private mail bapt@ wrote "Package beta, is temporary and will be >> removed quite soon (I hope)". >> So my questions is: >> 1) when it will be removed? >> 2) I'm confused... Is the project does not need more resources ? (5.2 >> on [1]). > > I believe the plan is to move to a small set of globally distributed > pkgng mirrors which are directly administered by those @freebsd.org, while > leaving the existing ad-hoc mirrors in place. ... > As for schedules, that's less clear, other than quite soon (2-3 months?) So let me unofficially leak a few more things here: 1) the tool is out as version 1.0; there will certainly be updates coming. You talk to bapt about that. 2) as bapt said in the announcement email pkgbeta.f.o is for testing and best effort. 3) no officially supported sets of pkg packages are published yet in my view. 4) we (FreeBSD) will be running the own official mirrors much the same way as indicated on the SVN mirror thread. This will be what we will be supporting. 5) you will be able to run your own mirror, for your local community/enterprise if you'll feel you'll need to do that. We will ask you not to do that under *.freebsd.org but it could be another local domain. However we (and you (plural)) will have to see and find out how things will go. Please understand that with each mirror great advocacy statistics are reduced. Also udnerstand that we are not just doing it for statistics reasons. We will provide rsync access for people who wish mirror. 6) We currently setup mirrors at us-west, us-east, are in the progress for one in the EU and will be looking for more, esp, Asia after that. We may be looking for 2nd sites in these areas if needed but we want see first. 7) Currently scheduled requirements are full root, isolated fully dedicated to FreeBSD machines/cluster resources for these mirror sites, not operated by any third party, but hands on for hardware, ... 8) for pkg mirrors, we are currently starting with about 7TB (yeah, you read correctly seven Terabyte as a start) of disk space requirements just for pkg packages and to hold them for up to a year. We'll also see how that'll work out, esp. if we might get more arch/platform sets in the future but it's a huge *up* from the current total of ftp space we have on mirrors. 9) The timeline for this to become public depends on a couple of factors, in part setup, in part package building, in part shaking out procedures and a few of us did quite some talking during the Cambridge Devsummit about this. A few weeks to end this year depending on branch might be expected; I would assume HEAD comes first, stbale/9 after that at some time. We hope to publish more detailed information as things proceed. /bz -- Bjoern A. Zeeb You have to have visions! Stop bit received. Insert coin for new address family. 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(bryan@shatow.net@74.94.87.209) by sweb.xzibition.com with ESMTPA; 5 Sep 2012 10:44:31 -0500 Message-ID: <50477366.5020906@shatow.net> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 10:44:38 -0500 From: Bryan Drewery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org References: <50477123.4070306@shatow.net> In-Reply-To: <50477123.4070306@shatow.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org appears down X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:44:33 -0000 On 9/5/2012 10:34 AM, Bryan Drewery wrote: > > Site won't load for me. > simon@ is addressing. Bryan From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 5 17:24:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FCF1065712; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:24:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (wollman-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:ccb::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84CC78FC14; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q85HOY6Z085719; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 13:24:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.14.5/8.14.4/Submit) id q85HOYFV085716; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 13:24:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20551.35538.119912.329917@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 13:24:34 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" In-Reply-To: References: <20120905112013.2d44783c@laptop> <09CB99A0-75BC-426C-BD44-9ACC7CD741D1@exonetric.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 22) "Instant Classic" XEmacs Lucid X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (hergotha.csail.mit.edu [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 05 Sep 2012 13:24:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on hergotha.csail.mit.edu Cc: hubs@freebsd.org, Cluster Administrators Subject: Re: pkgng mirrors X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:24:35 -0000 < said: > 4) we (FreeBSD) will be running the own official mirrors much the same > way as indicated on the SVN mirror thread. This will be what we > will be supporting. It would have been nice if this had been discussed with the people who have volunteered significant resources over the past nearly two decades to support FreeBSD by operating mirrors. Say, the ones on this mailing-list, perhaps? Rather than just a peremptory "thanks but we don't need you any more"? It may very well be the right thing to do, but it certainly doesn't come over well, particularly when (as in my case) people have just recently put substantial new resources into their mirrors. -GAWollman From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 5 18:35:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DEAE106566B; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 18:35:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from mx1.sbone.de (mx1.sbone.de [IPv6:2a01:4f8:130:3ffc::401:25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938458FC19; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 18:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.sbone.de (mail.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AF9E25D3887; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 18:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C4C6BE84BD; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 18:35:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sbone.de Received: from mail.sbone.de ([IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) by content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AG1xm3xzQ5ln; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 18:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nv.sbone.de (nv.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43049BE84BC; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 18:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 18:35:48 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" To: Garrett Wollman In-Reply-To: <20551.35538.119912.329917@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: References: <20120905112013.2d44783c@laptop> <09CB99A0-75BC-426C-BD44-9ACC7CD741D1@exonetric.com> <20551.35538.119912.329917@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x14003F198FEFA3E77207EE8D2B58B8F83CCF1842 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: hubs@freebsd.org, Cluster Administrators Subject: Re: pkgng mirrors X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 18:35:55 -0000 On Wed, 5 Sep 2012, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> 4) we (FreeBSD) will be running the own official mirrors much the same >> way as indicated on the SVN mirror thread. This will be what we >> will be supporting. > > It would have been nice if this had been discussed with the people who > have volunteered significant resources over the past nearly two > decades to support FreeBSD by operating mirrors. Say, the ones on > this mailing-list, perhaps? Rather than just a peremptory "thanks but > we don't need you any more"? > > It may very well be the right thing to do, but it certainly doesn't > come over well, particularly when (as in my case) people have just > recently put substantial new resources into their mirrors. Sorry I am direct rather than beating about the bush, esp. as you agree it's time to get the news out. You'll find that some of this is a result of last weeks discussions and the proper writeup is on TODO lists. The ideas aren't new -- I can easily go back to 2008 and find postings about CDNs for packages. The fact that it took us quite long doesn't make it better. But to speak more of a timeline, you'll want to know that about 2 months ago, I couldn't have told you anything of this more than general ponderings that had existed for years one way or another and possibly mostly totally different. The fact that you do not see an official pkg mirror with packages yet is equally telling I guess. HOWEVER: beware that the old stuff will continue to run for quite a while still, probably longer than some of us would love to see or think currently, but we need it, especially if run well (though the majority of mirrors sadly aren't run well); so your investment in a good FreeBSD mirror site is worth it and welcome! And we are talking into 2015 here probably (and things tend to slip) by the current plans to my understanding and probably a lot of people haven't realized that. So you are getting a multi-year notice. That's a lot of time for us to get experience with the current plans. We might very well as well find that we do have a larger digit number of users by an order of magnitude or two and suddenly say "oh *beep*, let's forget about that plan quickly and then again have to figure out how to equip mirrors with 10TB of usable disk space and 128+G of memory or half a rack of machines";) The numbers might not be too far off in total of what we are currently looking at -- though I am guessing rather than doing maths. In addition, as I mentioned, feel free to continue to run a mirror for your local community it's not that you have to stop that out of a sudden even after the magic year. The fact that we'll provide rsync from the mirrors for you should tell that. In fact we'll provide you with way better resources to do this than we currently do should you in a few years still need or want to mirror. And yes, we are aware at this point of having "3rd party mirrors" and we are discussing how to continue to "endorse" (strong word) them to the best we can for new stuff. The Australian SVN mirror case has clearly shown us that we need to figure it out. The answer is - don't know yet and certainly don't know before our own stuff is up and running but will let you as time comes. I think that's again my personal summary of what I think is the satte of affairs but again, consider it informal. /bz -- Bjoern A. Zeeb You have to have visions! Stop bit received. Insert coin for new address family. From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 5 19:08:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1EAD106564A; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 19:08:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tdb@carrick.bishnet.net) Received: from carrick.bishnet.net (carrick.bishnet.net [IPv6:2a01:348:132:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6C18FC15; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 19:08:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from carrick-users.bishnet.net ([2a01:348:132:51::10]) by carrick.bishnet.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1T9KyD-0004NW-Cx; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:09:01 +0100 Received: (from tdb@localhost) by carrick-users.bishnet.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q85J91fH016833; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:09:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from tdb) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:09:01 +0100 From: Tim Bishop To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" Message-ID: <20120905190901.GK66364@carrick-users.bishnet.net> References: <20120905112013.2d44783c@laptop> <09CB99A0-75BC-426C-BD44-9ACC7CD741D1@exonetric.com> <20551.35538.119912.329917@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: 0x5AE7D984, http://www.bishnet.net/tim/tim-bishnet-net.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 1453 086E 9376 1A50 ECF6 AE05 7DCE D659 5AE7 D984 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: hubs@freebsd.org, Garrett Wollman , Cluster Administrators Subject: Re: pkgng mirrors X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 19:08:17 -0000 On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 06:35:48PM +0000, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: > ... we need it, especially if run well (though the majority of mirrors > sadly aren't run well); ... I run mirrorservice.org so I've interacted with quite a few open source projects that have their stuff mirrored by third parties. The FreeBSD system seems fairly primitive compared to others; whilst you have various things to check the status of the mirrors there's nothing (as far as I know) automatically happening with it. Other projects have systems to automatically remove mirrors from listings if they're not updating properly or are missing content. If FreeBSD was to do something similar you'd be able to retain a well established mirror network whilst effectively weeding out broken sites. That said, 10TB worth of packages? That's a lot and I can imagine most mirrors couldn't handle that quantity of data. Tim. -- Tim Bishop http://www.bishnet.net/tim/ PGP Key: 0x5AE7D984 From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 5 19:23:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFA3106566B; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 19:23:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from mx1.sbone.de (mx1.sbone.de [IPv6:2a01:4f8:130:3ffc::401:25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2E78FC08; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 19:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.sbone.de (mail.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE40D25D3887; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 19:23:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD3F8BE84BF; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 19:23:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sbone.de Received: from mail.sbone.de ([IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) by content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rEruHOjwu3yf; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 19:23:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nv.sbone.de (nv.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A02E3BE84BD; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 19:23:26 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 19:23:25 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" To: Tim Bishop In-Reply-To: <20120905190901.GK66364@carrick-users.bishnet.net> Message-ID: References: <20120905112013.2d44783c@laptop> <09CB99A0-75BC-426C-BD44-9ACC7CD741D1@exonetric.com> <20551.35538.119912.329917@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20120905190901.GK66364@carrick-users.bishnet.net> X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x14003F198FEFA3E77207EE8D2B58B8F83CCF1842 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: hubs@freebsd.org, Cluster Administrators Subject: Re: pkgng mirrors X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 19:23:31 -0000 On Wed, 5 Sep 2012, Tim Bishop wrote: > On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 06:35:48PM +0000, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: >> ... we need it, especially if run well (though the majority of mirrors >> sadly aren't run well); ... > > I run mirrorservice.org so I've interacted with quite a few open source And I noticed that service about two weeks ago and have a reminder to go back out of curiosity to see;-) > projects that have their stuff mirrored by third parties. The FreeBSD > system seems fairly primitive compared to others; whilst you have > various things to check the status of the mirrors there's nothing (as > far as I know) automatically happening with it. Other projects have > systems to automatically remove mirrors from listings if they're not > updating properly or are missing content. > > If FreeBSD was to do something similar you'd be able to retain a well > established mirror network whilst effectively weeding out broken sites. Part of the historic problem here is that we have little control over *.cc.FreeBSD.org currently though we gain more as time passes. So it's not that easy. We can remove them from website and release lists and I am not sure to which extend this happening but well worth investigating. I seem to remember that Release Engineering in the past had at least made sure that the mirrors mentioned in the release announcement had the bits at that time. The other problems would however equally remain - no statistics, maintainance, unable to "atomically" deploy things, and a couple of other stuff ... The fact that the world has moved by a decade but we did not may make these changes look more radical than they are. > That said, 10TB worth of packages? That's a lot and I can imagine most > mirrors couldn't handle that quantity of data. 7TB to start within the first year, yes, we are upping the game a little to give a lot better support to users we hope. It won't be there from day 1 but that's the direction thigns are heading. A lot of the mirrors can't cope with the 1G or 2G of ftp, and most of the old stuff is not on that anymore but on ftp-archive, so yeah... -- Bjoern A. Zeeb You have to have visions! Stop bit received. Insert coin for new address family. From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 5 21:04:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7767106566B; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:04:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@exonetric.com) Received: from relay.exonetric.net (relay0.exonetric.net [178.250.72.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F038FC0A; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (186.211.187.81.in-addr.arpa [81.187.211.186]) by relay.exonetric.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9B6D92C333; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 22:04:16 +0100 (BST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1486\)) From: Mark Blackman In-Reply-To: <20120905190901.GK66364@carrick-users.bishnet.net> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 22:04:18 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7ACDA7E9-5D7C-4740-B1B9-AAE2F77C100D@exonetric.com> References: <20120905112013.2d44783c@laptop> <09CB99A0-75BC-426C-BD44-9ACC7CD741D1@exonetric.com> <20551.35538.119912.329917@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20120905190901.GK66364@carrick-users.bishnet.net> To: Tim Bishop X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1486) Cc: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" , hubs@freebsd.org, Garrett Wollman , Cluster Administrators Subject: Re: pkgng mirrors X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 21:04:18 -0000 On 5 Sep 2012, at 20:09, Tim Bishop wrote: > On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 06:35:48PM +0000, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: >> ... we need it, especially if run well (though the majority of mirrors >> sadly aren't run well); ... > > I run mirrorservice.org so I've interacted with quite a few open source > projects that have their stuff mirrored by third parties. The FreeBSD > system seems fairly primitive compared to others; whilst you have > various things to check the status of the mirrors there's nothing (as > far as I know) automatically happening with it. Other projects have > systems to automatically remove mirrors from listings if they're not > updating properly or are missing content. > > If FreeBSD was to do something similar you'd be able to retain a well > established mirror network whilst effectively weeding out broken sites. > > That said, 10TB worth of packages? That's a lot and I can imagine most > mirrors couldn't handle that quantity of data. 10TB seems like a fairly modest requirement in 2012 with 3TB drives going for 100GBP. - Mark From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 5 21:58:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07519106566B for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:58:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (wollman-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:ccb::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D148FC0C for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q85Lw3XK089007; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:58:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.14.5/8.14.4/Submit) id q85Lw3bm089004; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:58:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20551.51947.860207.240854@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:58:03 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman To: Mark Blackman In-Reply-To: <7ACDA7E9-5D7C-4740-B1B9-AAE2F77C100D@exonetric.com> References: <20120905112013.2d44783c@laptop> <09CB99A0-75BC-426C-BD44-9ACC7CD741D1@exonetric.com> <20551.35538.119912.329917@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20120905190901.GK66364@carrick-users.bishnet.net> <7ACDA7E9-5D7C-4740-B1B9-AAE2F77C100D@exonetric.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 22) "Instant Classic" XEmacs Lucid X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (hergotha.csail.mit.edu [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:58:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on hergotha.csail.mit.edu Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkgng mirrors X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 21:58:07 -0000 < said: > 10TB seems like a fairly modest requirement in 2012 with 3TB drives > going for 100GBP. Depends on who's paying for it, I think. The recently upgraded ftp5/cvsup3 (xyz.csail.mit.edu) has 12 x 1G enterprise SATA drives in it, with a total (non-expandable) size of 8.12T for the zpool where the public data lives. We got all this hardware free from the manufacturer, and wanted to put it to good use (since it's a bit too small to be a file server for our own users). -GAWollman From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 6 01:50:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CED1065680; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 01:50:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jason@wilma.widomaker.com) Received: from wilma.widomaker.com (wilma.widomaker.com [204.17.220.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CE98FC0A; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 01:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wilma.widomaker.com ([204.17.220.5]) by wilma.widomaker.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1T9QJ4-000G1k-53; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:50:55 -0400 Received: (from jason@localhost) by wilma.widomaker.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id q860ooiH020424; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:50:50 -0400 (AST) (envelope-from jason) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:50:49 -0400 From: Jason Harris To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" Message-ID: <20120906005049.GA20242@laptop> References: <20120905112013.2d44783c@laptop> <09CB99A0-75BC-426C-BD44-9ACC7CD741D1@exonetric.com> <20551.35538.119912.329917@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20120905190901.GK66364@carrick-users.bishnet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Spam-Report: This message has been scanned & scored by widomaker.com's mail servers. The information added to this message is to allow you to chose whether or not you accept this message. For more information, contact helpdesk@widomaker.com or see http://www.widomaker.com/filterspam.html Content analysis details: (-1.1 points, 8.0 required) ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44,AWL=0.362 Cc: Cluster Administrators , hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkgng mirrors X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2012 01:50:15 -0000 --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 07:23:25PM +0000, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: > On Wed, 5 Sep 2012, Tim Bishop wrote: =20 > > projects that have their stuff mirrored by third parties. The FreeBSD > > system seems fairly primitive compared to others; whilst you have > > various things to check the status of the mirrors there's nothing (as > > far as I know) automatically happening with it. Other projects have > > systems to automatically remove mirrors from listings if they're not > > updating properly or are missing content. > > > > If FreeBSD was to do something similar you'd be able to retain a well > > established mirror network whilst effectively weeding out broken sites. Sounds like MirrorBrain: http://www.mirrorbrain.org/ I can't believe it hasn't been discussed more in public - Google for "mirrorbrain" site:lists.freebsd.org and find one hit in 2008, 2010, and 2011... :( > Part of the historic problem here is that we have little control over > *.cc.FreeBSD.org currently though we gain more as time passes. So > it's not that easy. We can remove them from website and release lists > and I am not sure to which extend this happening but well worth > investigating. I seem to remember that Release Engineering in the past > had at least made sure that the mirrors mentioned in the release > announcement had the bits at that time. AIUI, MirrorBrain scans the mirrors and does most of this automagically. I really like that it can generate .torrents on the fly with web seeding; that seems perfect for .iso images around release time. > The other problems would however equally remain - no statistics, MB would run on central, project-run webservers and direct users to mirrors with the desired files/collections, so you do know who is requesting what and where they're being sent. As for the server logs, why not remote syslog? Also, I have changed my Apache logs to CSV format and log the server's IP, making it easy to feed logs from multiple servers to a single DB. > maintainance, unable to "atomically" deploy things, and a couple of > other stuff ... The fact that the world has moved by a decade but we > did not may make these changes look more radical than they are. Clearly CDNs do this stuff quite well, but what other Open Source projects have had to resort to using CDNs? > > That said, 10TB worth of packages? That's a lot and I can imagine most > > mirrors couldn't handle that quantity of data. >=20 > 7TB to start within the first year, yes, we are upping the game a > little to give a lot better support to users we hope. It won't be there > from day 1 but that's the direction thigns are heading. A lot of the > mirrors can't cope with the 1G or 2G of ftp, and most of the old stuff > is not on that anymore but on ftp-archive, so yeah... MB could redirect the archived stuff straight to ftp-archive, of course. --=20 Jason Harris | PGP: This _is_ PGP-signed, isn't it? jharris@widomaker.com _|_ Got photons? (TM), (C) 2004 --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (FreeBSD) iJ0EARECAF0FAlBH82lWGGh0dHA6Ly9rZXlzZXJ2ZXIua2pzbC5jb206MTEzNzEv cGtzL2xvb2t1cD9vcD1nZXQmc2VhcmNoPTB4RDM5REEwRTMmd2VoYXZleW91bm93 PXRydWUACgkQSypIl9OdoOMt5gCg2SSWhxS+ORWCLReOqkZ/f9DW55kAn1arnRn7 RHZHtZpu4/QCJvXs2GvB =+YfH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 6 02:05:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5BF106564A for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 02:05:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (wollman-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:ccb::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769DA8FC0C for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 02:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8625PPm091615; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 22:05:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.14.5/8.14.4/Submit) id q8625P3t091612; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 22:05:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20552.1253.30033.764245@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 22:05:25 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman To: Jason Harris In-Reply-To: <20120906005049.GA20242@laptop> References: <20120905112013.2d44783c@laptop> <09CB99A0-75BC-426C-BD44-9ACC7CD741D1@exonetric.com> <20551.35538.119912.329917@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20120905190901.GK66364@carrick-users.bishnet.net> <20120906005049.GA20242@laptop> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 22) "Instant Classic" XEmacs Lucid X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (hergotha.csail.mit.edu [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 05 Sep 2012 22:05:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on hergotha.csail.mit.edu Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkgng mirrors X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2012 02:05:26 -0000 < said: > Clearly CDNs do this stuff quite well, but what other Open Source > projects have had to resort to using CDNs? A lot of the major ones get it for "free" from either the provider that hosts their development resources (e.g. sourceforge) or their principal corporate sponsor. -GAWollman From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 6 02:15:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD08106564A; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 02:15:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (wollman-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:ccb::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95A98FC14; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 02:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q862FmdY091759; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 22:15:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.14.5/8.14.4/Submit) id q862FmCe091756; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 22:15:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20552.1876.935111.232417@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 22:15:48 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" In-Reply-To: References: <20120905112013.2d44783c@laptop> <09CB99A0-75BC-426C-BD44-9ACC7CD741D1@exonetric.com> <20551.35538.119912.329917@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 22) "Instant Classic" XEmacs Lucid X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (hergotha.csail.mit.edu [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 05 Sep 2012 22:15:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on hergotha.csail.mit.edu Cc: hubs@freebsd.org, Cluster Administrators Subject: Re: pkgng mirrors X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2012 02:15:50 -0000 < said: > I think that's again my personal summary of what I think is the satte > of affairs but again, consider it informal. But you don't really answer the question: WHO is discussing this, and WHERE? In what role are you speaking? And shouldn't the community be involved, rather than (as has happened disturbingly frequently in recent months) making a decision behind closed doors and then announcing it as a fait accompli in a post about something else? I'm all for making things better, but I don't even know what the people who are working on this (whoever they may be) are trying to accomplish. Weren't we just having a discussion on another list a month ago about how important decisions about how FreeBSD works shouldn't be made in private? -GAWollman From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 8 14:05:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C191065670 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 14:05:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from never@nevermind.kiev.ua) Received: from mail-qa0-f47.google.com (mail-qa0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCBE48FC0C for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 14:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qadc11 with SMTP id c11so247183qad.13 for ; Sat, 08 Sep 2012 07:05:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=d22ca+/Bp4H8/P06sA3p9R/O9GV+CUHfHllKMCwEABk=; b=bx+swvQbW+sxNR9z65mfiHEObKBs5jmvl269qt99V5NrtvMt5O74+JTr/qGRoILNJR vZ1hBFdlHG5l+mbkjNgnx8pR0sprjMes4wmpdFUNNef2mxndGuD7XE69gTJCSaMq5rOF lXmpZW6bDP+/ezNZzVn6I5doyQp88lrnzrRYaKftOeznJ6NMuNQM7tGRm2cJy1W9pJHG wpd8zkuFOve6j4se9aTf5JAKxmcQFgolKvDveFn0V1isjxMZ8XydJIiNVmRgdekMeaFb pBBBIcGrf5pWq/1tVVhXGarL6Z4/R8ZBTtboHokvrD9Xkpk1jvlM3k+Ugi3WJBfp6ID8 GdPg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.197.10 with SMTP id ei10mr11186952qab.49.1347113110491; Sat, 08 Sep 2012 07:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.168 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 07:05:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120905112013.2d44783c@laptop> <09CB99A0-75BC-426C-BD44-9ACC7CD741D1@exonetric.com> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 17:05:10 +0300 Message-ID: From: Alexandr Kovalenko To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmYd1evx5NCgE+uOlAaOgXpUPTDbYmpUUAXN3BjzDXSfvGvg+sa2mekjcVhnesnaf11VqB5 Cc: hubs@freebsd.org, Cluster Administrators Subject: Re: pkgng mirrors X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 14:05:18 -0000 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: > So let me unofficially leak a few more things here: > > 4) we (FreeBSD) will be running the own official mirrors much the same > way as indicated on the SVN mirror thread. This will be what we > will be supporting. > > > 5) you will be able to run your own mirror, for your local > community/enterprise > if you'll feel you'll need to do that. We will ask you not to > do that under *.freebsd.org but it could be another local domain. > However we (and you (plural)) will have to see and find out how > things will go. Please understand that with each mirror great > advocacy statistics are reduced. Also udnerstand that we are not > just doing it for statistics reasons. > We will provide rsync access for people who wish mirror. So just "thank you and f.o." without any discussion at least with mirror maintainers. We here (and I personally) provide ftp/cvsup.ua.freebsd.org mirror for >10 years, put lots of efforts and money (with the help of community), and now you just discussed something behind the closed doors and say "f.o., we don't need you anymore, but we let you run mirror". What a releif that you don't prohibit us from running local (unofficial) mirrors. Thanks! >:E Some of mirrors have done upgrades recently (hardware) and now you also say - go away, we'll do everything on our own. For me it looks very unpolite and and unfair. First freebsd-udpdate, then portsnap without publicly available server-side parts, now everything else? Oracle-way? :) -- Alexandr Kovalenko ftp/cvsup.ua.freebsd.org maintainer.