From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 17:57:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1F4A1C011; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:57:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from webmail2.jnielsen.net (webmail2.jnielsen.net [50.114.224.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "webmail2.jnielsen.net", Issuer "freebsdsolutions.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 960A11FDE; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:57:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from [10.10.1.196] (office.betterlinux.com [199.58.199.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by webmail2.jnielsen.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t9MHvrrx037489 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:57:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail2.jnielsen.net: Host office.betterlinux.com [199.58.199.60] claimed to be [10.10.1.196] From: John Nielsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: looking for suggestions for a small router/appliance board/SoC Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:57:52 -0600 Message-Id: <2EB47812-4744-48B5-BEBF-B2074D9EEA8F@jnielsen.net> Cc: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org To: freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:57:56 -0000 Hi- I=E2=80=99m working on a proof-of-concept for a kind of networking swiss = army knife. Can anyone suggest a board that meets the following = requirements? CPU arch doesn=E2=80=99t matter as long as it will run = FreeBSD (Atom, ARM, MIPS, etc). - Small form factor (SoC, probably) - Can support at least 2 802.11a/b/g/n adapters, prefer 3 (any = combination of chip-integrated and mini PCI-e slots. Prefer to avoid USB = if possible) - Has or supports at least 2 1GbE ports. Prefer 3-5 ports with = switching functionality - Storage not super constrained. Built-in storage (if any) can be = small (which I=E2=80=99m arbitrarily defining as less than 128MB) if = there is also an SD card slot or similar. USB storage will do in a = pinch. - Has at least 2 free USB ports after meeting previous requirements - Serial port or header (or GPIO pins that can be used as one? Not too = familiar with that) - Low power consumption (within reason taking the above into account) - Low cost (again, within reason) I may just start with a PC Engines apu1d, but if there are boards that = are smaller, cheaper, have lower power requirements and/or have = integrated wifi or switch capabilities I=E2=80=99d like to look in to = them as well. I know that might be asking a lot, so I=E2=80=99m also open to any = suggestions that are most of the way there. Thanks! JN From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 18:00:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECCFCA1C081; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:00:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x22a.google.com (mail-ig0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA52710A0; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:00:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: by igbhv6 with SMTP id hv6so65376698igb.0; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:00:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ElCK0reYSjvCImZyq4lfrbFbU0vDjBJYerJae14Aqys=; b=JuLaegxTdjbcMn1DO1qzCReRpgnxD8umT3lxRnSbxjL8+HLeKBmphNG+PrgbxeXd/f +wD9GoJEVhpAq3l06mM92ryCpo4HuYVF8kAo7JGNlj8z4ECjoqXKIjflYOx5mCM1xFUf KU6t2Pw6OSn+FOTbmFoDCdJvFeQI+JmuDL18Vg40NL7F/2cCauIczP9Y+P3n/9xirO1l T303d9VumfhiVb7oHcjIDn5SMKSDtXYdjyW0BZkMbHxOZOrk9KjuD0RRyX57dTZYWA06 dQBjMO+3XKFhRedW0zcetm2J5JBBGpNqHMxqA0/40C3X3FrQbdx4AMa5MxqtjgikOal/ Y2sQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.178.141 with SMTP id cy13mr17064366igc.61.1445536803079; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.46.66 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:00:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2EB47812-4744-48B5-BEBF-B2074D9EEA8F@jnielsen.net> References: <2EB47812-4744-48B5-BEBF-B2074D9EEA8F@jnielsen.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:00:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: looking for suggestions for a small router/appliance board/SoC From: Adrian Chadd To: John Nielsen Cc: "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:00:04 -0000 hi! The PC engines boards are your best bet to begin with. There's updated ARM hardware from Gateworks but I don't recall if we ever got a port fully working on it. -a On 22 October 2015 at 10:57, John Nielsen wrote: > Hi- > > I=E2=80=99m working on a proof-of-concept for a kind of networking swiss = army knife. Can anyone suggest a board that meets the following requirement= s? CPU arch doesn=E2=80=99t matter as long as it will run FreeBSD (Atom, AR= M, MIPS, etc). > > - Small form factor (SoC, probably) > - Can support at least 2 802.11a/b/g/n adapters, prefer 3 (any combinat= ion of chip-integrated and mini PCI-e slots. Prefer to avoid USB if possibl= e) > - Has or supports at least 2 1GbE ports. Prefer 3-5 ports with switchin= g functionality > - Storage not super constrained. Built-in storage (if any) can be small= (which I=E2=80=99m arbitrarily defining as less than 128MB) if there is al= so an SD card slot or similar. USB storage will do in a pinch. > - Has at least 2 free USB ports after meeting previous requirements > - Serial port or header (or GPIO pins that can be used as one? Not too = familiar with that) > - Low power consumption (within reason taking the above into account) > - Low cost (again, within reason) > > I may just start with a PC Engines apu1d, but if there are boards that ar= e smaller, cheaper, have lower power requirements and/or have integrated wi= fi or switch capabilities I=E2=80=99d like to look in to them as well. > > I know that might be asking a lot, so I=E2=80=99m also open to any sugges= tions that are most of the way there. Thanks! > > JN > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 18:11:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA3DA1C2EA; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:11:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22b.google.com (mail-io0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 589F41611; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:11:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: by ioll68 with SMTP id l68so100757752iol.3; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:11:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=M4d10epzK+eDSXsP241jSQx09AEciy7xZPvoEU8+2e4=; b=Yc2IURIdto3OXEjsyyEEqptfYVr+8RaJ+X8d5Yb6GNFe/FoFcIsBMf1J5Ny2g2JBEt LppFl3sYUKBLUL9iGXIi5Fr2O7xSJDCiNsf/5gziYxGmQ22arG5BgSDCsQRpo0ajujEN RMvptW0FZ/9AZ/A30sVZ9Te5FUPOkKtHsqfFlQilMfd+pDD6hZTThxieb58usiZ1XPka 1LrpExrZEzQVWZNJN8KA96p+TLXKlcXELSOojh6KTUovaKpGgwQSuI82YDV4xEwcsIky VuuODfvS6YGfDlXlOYdiO42/OI4oGSsG2PZd5lUZ7a+I+T6aZH7vIPULMdVV7wN3b9AP w4Lg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.152.2 with SMTP id a2mr7148440ioe.123.1445537476609; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.46.66 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:11:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2F3D00CB-C270-4A98-B9C1-554B43574CF1@frob.org> References: <2EB47812-4744-48B5-BEBF-B2074D9EEA8F@jnielsen.net> <2F3D00CB-C270-4A98-B9C1-554B43574CF1@frob.org> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:11:16 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: looking for suggestions for a small router/appliance board/SoC From: Adrian Chadd To: Jeff Meegan Cc: John Nielsen , "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:11:17 -0000 i have avila/cambria stuff too, but it's old (PCI, no PCIe.) -a On 22 October 2015 at 11:06, Jeff Meegan wrote: > I have a couple of Gateworks Avila boards that at least boot. > > On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote= : > > hi! > > The PC engines boards are your best bet to begin with. There's updated > ARM hardware from Gateworks but I don't recall if we ever got a port > fully working on it. > > > -a > > > On 22 October 2015 at 10:57, John Nielsen wrote: > > Hi- > > I=E2=80=99m working on a proof-of-concept for a kind of networking swiss = army knife. > Can anyone suggest a board that meets the following requirements? CPU arc= h > doesn=E2=80=99t matter as long as it will run FreeBSD (Atom, ARM, MIPS, e= tc). > > - Small form factor (SoC, probably) > - Can support at least 2 802.11a/b/g/n adapters, prefer 3 (any combinati= on > of chip-integrated and mini PCI-e slots. Prefer to avoid USB if possible) > - Has or supports at least 2 1GbE ports. Prefer 3-5 ports with switching > functionality > - Storage not super constrained. Built-in storage (if any) can be small > (which I=E2=80=99m arbitrarily defining as less than 128MB) if there is a= lso an SD > card slot or similar. USB storage will do in a pinch. > - Has at least 2 free USB ports after meeting previous requirements > - Serial port or header (or GPIO pins that can be used as one? Not too > familiar with that) > - Low power consumption (within reason taking the above into account) > - Low cost (again, within reason) > > I may just start with a PC Engines apu1d, but if there are boards that ar= e > smaller, cheaper, have lower power requirements and/or have integrated wi= fi > or switch capabilities I=E2=80=99d like to look in to them as well. > > I know that might be asking a lot, so I=E2=80=99m also open to any sugges= tions that > are most of the way there. Thanks! > > JN > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-wireless > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-wireless-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" > > From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 18:13:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872ACA1C43A for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:13:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffm@frob.org) Received: from server283.com (server283.com [64.14.68.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D5E1A59 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:13:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffm@frob.org) Received: (qmail 27267 invoked by uid 503); 22 Oct 2015 18:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.100.131?) (jeffm@98.203.199.57) by server283.com with ESMTPA; 22 Oct 2015 18:06:29 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.0 \(3094\)) Subject: Re: looking for suggestions for a small router/appliance board/SoC From: Jeff Meegan In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:06:27 -0700 Cc: John Nielsen , "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" Message-Id: <2F3D00CB-C270-4A98-B9C1-554B43574CF1@frob.org> References: <2EB47812-4744-48B5-BEBF-B2074D9EEA8F@jnielsen.net> To: Adrian Chadd X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3094) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:13:10 -0000 I have a couple of Gateworks Avila boards that at least boot. > On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Adrian Chadd = wrote: >=20 > hi! >=20 > The PC engines boards are your best bet to begin with. There's updated > ARM hardware from Gateworks but I don't recall if we ever got a port > fully working on it. >=20 >=20 > -a >=20 >=20 > On 22 October 2015 at 10:57, John Nielsen > wrote: >> Hi- >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m working on a proof-of-concept for a kind of networking = swiss army knife. Can anyone suggest a board that meets the following = requirements? CPU arch doesn=E2=80=99t matter as long as it will run = FreeBSD (Atom, ARM, MIPS, etc). >>=20 >> - Small form factor (SoC, probably) >> - Can support at least 2 802.11a/b/g/n adapters, prefer 3 (any = combination of chip-integrated and mini PCI-e slots. Prefer to avoid USB = if possible) >> - Has or supports at least 2 1GbE ports. Prefer 3-5 ports with = switching functionality >> - Storage not super constrained. Built-in storage (if any) can be = small (which I=E2=80=99m arbitrarily defining as less than 128MB) if = there is also an SD card slot or similar. USB storage will do in a = pinch. >> - Has at least 2 free USB ports after meeting previous requirements >> - Serial port or header (or GPIO pins that can be used as one? Not = too familiar with that) >> - Low power consumption (within reason taking the above into = account) >> - Low cost (again, within reason) >>=20 >> I may just start with a PC Engines apu1d, but if there are boards = that are smaller, cheaper, have lower power requirements and/or have = integrated wifi or switch capabilities I=E2=80=99d like to look in to = them as well. >>=20 >> I know that might be asking a lot, so I=E2=80=99m also open to any = suggestions that are most of the way there. Thanks! >>=20 >> JN >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org = mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded = >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@freebsd.org = " > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org = mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-wireless = > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-wireless-unsubscribe@freebsd.org = " From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 18:19:58 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41048A1C6EA for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:19:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@netgate.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x234.google.com (mail-ob0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 011DD1EC7 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:19:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@netgate.com) Received: by obbwb3 with SMTP id wb3so75082274obb.0 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:19:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=netgate.com; s=google; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=wMMb1SQXRZxGULnwtkSzd5xaHHQRcnD68r3oCMGn6zc=; b=ezFN7kxEu/k2zrdali1Ykm0CthntSM5169D4ld9snH0hINht6nnJ1yagqNH9tYOui5 js8qoLHwky8RfzSUixfFPTW8/pl8l3EVopA+VsMHWBLo4A50AGskyXvRWff58WvN3XMA Ig8eloRafz2Idyvyz0w+DT7wftDO/Zec2wIH8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=wMMb1SQXRZxGULnwtkSzd5xaHHQRcnD68r3oCMGn6zc=; b=ZeyhsmvRu/lvTdhrZ922w4FJ+HxGHildDkWJPdhsCjzsFIYPrNEF5S7eGlIipNaZRL Z1y7FuTghMzx3z1IBcE2c8AIgLHH4q9HlA0bHxhxuG3WKTkonf0VCjNmNe/xPs6D4nFJ WcFKDb00sfrcwAj8LoxC0rEYZc2sjCc2Jv6L9yBxfX2fwp2xujyNzadZWwen1vlpIuNH /RUxPLtia7GYDs3TGdJ9EL4tXJyQ423UiHbPsvIkTC5SKTbmGFcLX4tFcjineAAOHpub uXuOf6mpBVIEnvcni9oKTVi4ODccQX1neDv9xFgVxAWzFiwPCL7Vz5diMfzDkonL7PZU Xw7A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkdNtQniR9nSNeJ+CcJjDteNP7iBjK3N+axKEiKNEGHFsCnrj78wHv5OVIKNckvK7xqwvKL X-Received: by 10.182.247.99 with SMTP id yd3mr11387142obc.37.1445537997325; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2610:160:11:33:c192:fa36:e098:5284? ([2610:160:11:33:c192:fa36:e098:5284]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o185sm6406312oif.5.2015.10.22.11.19.56 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) Subject: Re: looking for suggestions for a small router/appliance board/SoC From: Jim Thompson In-Reply-To: <2EB47812-4744-48B5-BEBF-B2074D9EEA8F@jnielsen.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:19:56 -0500 Cc: freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org, freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <2EB47812-4744-48B5-BEBF-B2074D9EEA8F@jnielsen.net> To: John Nielsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:19:58 -0000 > On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:57 PM, John Nielsen wrote: >=20 > Hi- >=20 > I=E2=80=99m working on a proof-of-concept for a kind of networking = swiss army knife. Can anyone suggest a board that meets the following = requirements? CPU arch doesn=E2=80=99t matter as long as it will run = FreeBSD (Atom, ARM, MIPS, etc). >=20 > - Small form factor (SoC, probably) > - Can support at least 2 802.11a/b/g/n adapters, prefer 3 (any = combination of chip-integrated and mini PCI-e slots. Prefer to avoid USB = if possible) I openly question your need or the desirability for 3 802.11 adapters. = It can be made to work, but you=E2=80=99re going to have some intermod. > - Has or supports at least 2 1GbE ports. Prefer 3-5 ports with = switching functionality > - Storage not super constrained. Built-in storage (if any) can be = small (which I=E2=80=99m arbitrarily defining as less than 128MB) if = there is also an SD card slot or similar. USB storage will do in a = pinch. > - Has at least 2 free USB ports after meeting previous requirements > - Serial port or header (or GPIO pins that can be used as one? Not = too familiar with that) > - Low power consumption (within reason taking the above into account) > - Low cost (again, within reason) >=20 > I may just start with a PC Engines apu1d, but if there are boards that = are smaller, cheaper, have lower power requirements and/or have = integrated wifi or switch capabilities I=E2=80=99d like to look in to = them as well. you can probably get APU in low-volume, but quantity is very constrained = these days (it=E2=80=99s been true all year). We do have the RCC-VE and RCC-DFF units available. http://store.netgate.com/Desktop-Systems-C83.aspx Jim From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 18:21:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F3AA1C854; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:21:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: from gold.funkthat.com (gate2.funkthat.com [208.87.223.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gold.funkthat.com", Issuer "gold.funkthat.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DB8A1FCF; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:21:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: from gold.funkthat.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gold.funkthat.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t9MILSFF058497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:21:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by gold.funkthat.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id t9MILSmi058496; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:21:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:21:28 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Jeff Meegan Cc: Adrian Chadd , "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" , John Nielsen , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: looking for suggestions for a small router/appliance board/SoC Message-ID: <20151022182128.GY65715@funkthat.com> References: <2EB47812-4744-48B5-BEBF-B2074D9EEA8F@jnielsen.net> <2F3D00CB-C270-4A98-B9C1-554B43574CF1@frob.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2F3D00CB-C270-4A98-B9C1-554B43574CF1@frob.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 54BA 873B 6515 3F10 9E88 9322 9CB1 8F74 6D3F A396 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html X-TipJar: bitcoin:13Qmb6AeTgQecazTWph4XasEsP7nGRbAPE X-to-the-FBI-CIA-and-NSA: HI! HOW YA DOIN? can i haz chizburger? User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (gold.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:21:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:21:31 -0000 Jeff Meegan wrote this message on Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:06 -0700: > I have a couple of Gateworks Avila boards that at least boot. And only 100mbit ethernet, so failes the gige part of the requirements... > > On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > > > > The PC engines boards are your best bet to begin with. There's updated > > ARM hardware from Gateworks but I don't recall if we ever got a port > > fully working on it. > > > > On 22 October 2015 at 10:57, John Nielsen > wrote: > >> Hi- > >> > >> I???m working on a proof-of-concept for a kind of networking swiss army knife. Can anyone suggest a board that meets the following requirements? CPU arch doesn???t matter as long as it will run FreeBSD (Atom, ARM, MIPS, etc). > >> > >> - Small form factor (SoC, probably) > >> - Can support at least 2 802.11a/b/g/n adapters, prefer 3 (any combination of chip-integrated and mini PCI-e slots. Prefer to avoid USB if possible) > >> - Has or supports at least 2 1GbE ports. Prefer 3-5 ports with switching functionality > >> - Storage not super constrained. Built-in storage (if any) can be small (which I???m arbitrarily defining as less than 128MB) if there is also an SD card slot or similar. USB storage will do in a pinch. > >> - Has at least 2 free USB ports after meeting previous requirements > >> - Serial port or header (or GPIO pins that can be used as one? Not too familiar with that) > >> - Low power consumption (within reason taking the above into account) > >> - Low cost (again, within reason) > >> > >> I may just start with a PC Engines apu1d, but if there are boards that are smaller, cheaper, have lower power requirements and/or have integrated wifi or switch capabilities I???d like to look in to them as well. > >> > >> I know that might be asking a lot, so I???m also open to any suggestions that are most of the way there. Thanks! -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not." From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 18:22:57 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5F4A1C89F for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:22:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffm@frob.org) Received: from server283.com (server283.com [64.14.68.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF37B1194 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:22:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffm@frob.org) Received: (qmail 3792 invoked by uid 503); 22 Oct 2015 18:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.100.131?) (jeffm@98.203.199.57) by server283.com with ESMTPA; 22 Oct 2015 18:22:55 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.0 \(3094\)) Subject: Re: looking for suggestions for a small router/appliance board/SoC From: Jeff Meegan In-Reply-To: <20151022182128.GY65715@funkthat.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:22:52 -0700 Cc: Adrian Chadd , "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" , John Nielsen , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <2EB47812-4744-48B5-BEBF-B2074D9EEA8F@jnielsen.net> <2F3D00CB-C270-4A98-B9C1-554B43574CF1@frob.org> <20151022182128.GY65715@funkthat.com> To: John-Mark Gurney X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3094) X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:22:57 -0000 Right. Adrian said that he was not sure if Gateworks were supported, so I was just adding my experience. > On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:21 AM, John-Mark Gurney = wrote: >=20 > Jeff Meegan wrote this message on Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:06 -0700: >> I have a couple of Gateworks Avila boards that at least boot. >=20 > And only 100mbit ethernet, so failes the gige part of the = requirements... >=20 >>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Adrian Chadd = wrote: >>>=20 >>> The PC engines boards are your best bet to begin with. There's = updated >>> ARM hardware from Gateworks but I don't recall if we ever got a port >>> fully working on it. >>>=20 >>> On 22 October 2015 at 10:57, John Nielsen > wrote: >>>> Hi- >>>>=20 >>>> I???m working on a proof-of-concept for a kind of networking swiss = army knife. Can anyone suggest a board that meets the following = requirements? CPU arch doesn???t matter as long as it will run FreeBSD = (Atom, ARM, MIPS, etc). >>>>=20 >>>> - Small form factor (SoC, probably) >>>> - Can support at least 2 802.11a/b/g/n adapters, prefer 3 (any = combination of chip-integrated and mini PCI-e slots. Prefer to avoid USB = if possible) >>>> - Has or supports at least 2 1GbE ports. Prefer 3-5 ports with = switching functionality >>>> - Storage not super constrained. Built-in storage (if any) can be = small (which I???m arbitrarily defining as less than 128MB) if there is = also an SD card slot or similar. USB storage will do in a pinch. >>>> - Has at least 2 free USB ports after meeting previous requirements >>>> - Serial port or header (or GPIO pins that can be used as one? Not = too familiar with that) >>>> - Low power consumption (within reason taking the above into = account) >>>> - Low cost (again, within reason) >>>>=20 >>>> I may just start with a PC Engines apu1d, but if there are boards = that are smaller, cheaper, have lower power requirements and/or have = integrated wifi or switch capabilities I???d like to look in to them as = well. >>>>=20 >>>> I know that might be asking a lot, so I???m also open to any = suggestions that are most of the way there. Thanks! >=20 > --=20 > John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 >=20 > "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not." From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 19:39:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F05A1C6A4; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:39:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from webmail2.jnielsen.net (webmail2.jnielsen.net [50.114.224.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "webmail2.jnielsen.net", Issuer "freebsdsolutions.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F20D91355; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:39:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from [10.10.1.196] (office.betterlinux.com [199.58.199.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by webmail2.jnielsen.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t9MJdIx6050606 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:39:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail2.jnielsen.net: Host office.betterlinux.com [199.58.199.60] claimed to be [10.10.1.196] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) Subject: Re: looking for suggestions for a small router/appliance board/SoC From: John Nielsen In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:39:18 -0600 Cc: freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org, freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7D3FEA1A-0EAF-4B0A-867D-49DCEF34D0CC@jnielsen.net> References: <2EB47812-4744-48B5-BEBF-B2074D9EEA8F@jnielsen.net> To: Jim Thompson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:39:23 -0000 On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:57 PM, John Nielsen = wrote: >>=20 >> Hi- >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m working on a proof-of-concept for a kind of networking = swiss army knife. Can anyone suggest a board that meets the following = requirements? CPU arch doesn=E2=80=99t matter as long as it will run = FreeBSD (Atom, ARM, MIPS, etc). >>=20 >> - Small form factor (SoC, probably) >> - Can support at least 2 802.11a/b/g/n adapters, prefer 3 (any = combination of chip-integrated and mini PCI-e slots. Prefer to avoid USB = if possible) >=20 > I openly question your need or the desirability for 3 802.11 adapters. = It can be made to work, but you=E2=80=99re going to have some intermod. I don=E2=80=99t mind being questioned. :) I haven=E2=80=99t yet had to = worry much about intermod; can you educate me? One or two of the radios = would be in the 5GHz band at any given time. One scenario (out of = several) where I envisioned having 3 radios is taking a wireless uplink = (STA in either 2.4 or 5 GHz band) and repeating it (HOSTAP) on both 2.4 = and 5 GHz. Totally crazy? >> - Has or supports at least 2 1GbE ports. Prefer 3-5 ports with = switching functionality >> - Storage not super constrained. Built-in storage (if any) can be = small (which I=E2=80=99m arbitrarily defining as less than 128MB) if = there is also an SD card slot or similar. USB storage will do in a = pinch. >> - Has at least 2 free USB ports after meeting previous requirements >> - Serial port or header (or GPIO pins that can be used as one? Not = too familiar with that) >> - Low power consumption (within reason taking the above into account) >> - Low cost (again, within reason) >>=20 >> I may just start with a PC Engines apu1d, but if there are boards = that are smaller, cheaper, have lower power requirements and/or have = integrated wifi or switch capabilities I=E2=80=99d like to look in to = them as well. >=20 > you can probably get APU in low-volume, but quantity is very = constrained these days (it=E2=80=99s been true all year). Good to know. > We do have the RCC-VE and RCC-DFF units available. >=20 > http://store.netgate.com/Desktop-Systems-C83.aspx Thanks for the link! From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 19:48:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B27A1C8B9; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:48:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from webmail2.jnielsen.net (webmail2.jnielsen.net [50.114.224.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "webmail2.jnielsen.net", Issuer "freebsdsolutions.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A4F9198D; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:48:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from [10.10.1.196] (office.betterlinux.com [199.58.199.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by webmail2.jnielsen.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t9MJmIRN061773 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:48:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail2.jnielsen.net: Host office.betterlinux.com [199.58.199.60] claimed to be [10.10.1.196] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) Subject: Re: looking for suggestions for a small router/appliance board/SoC From: John Nielsen In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:48:17 -0600 Cc: "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8B2138DA-A660-413F-B25A-D99398D587C3@jnielsen.net> References: <2EB47812-4744-48B5-BEBF-B2074D9EEA8F@jnielsen.net> To: Adrian Chadd X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:48:21 -0000 On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:00 PM, Adrian Chadd = wrote: > On 22 October 2015 at 10:57, John Nielsen wrote: >> I=E2=80=99m working on a proof-of-concept for a kind of networking = swiss army knife. Can anyone suggest a board that meets the following = requirements? CPU arch doesn=E2=80=99t matter as long as it will run = FreeBSD (Atom, ARM, MIPS, etc). >>=20 >> - Small form factor (SoC, probably) >> - Can support at least 2 802.11a/b/g/n adapters, prefer 3 (any = combination of chip-integrated and mini PCI-e slots. Prefer to avoid USB = if possible) >> - Has or supports at least 2 1GbE ports. Prefer 3-5 ports with = switching functionality >> - Storage not super constrained. Built-in storage (if any) can be = small (which I=E2=80=99m arbitrarily defining as less than 128MB) if = there is also an SD card slot or similar. USB storage will do in a = pinch. >> - Has at least 2 free USB ports after meeting previous requirements >> - Serial port or header (or GPIO pins that can be used as one? Not = too familiar with that) >> - Low power consumption (within reason taking the above into = account) >> - Low cost (again, within reason) >>=20 >> I may just start with a PC Engines apu1d, but if there are boards = that are smaller, cheaper, have lower power requirements and/or have = integrated wifi or switch capabilities I=E2=80=99d like to look in to = them as well. >>=20 >> I know that might be asking a lot, so I=E2=80=99m also open to any = suggestions that are most of the way there. Thanks! > The PC engines boards are your best bet to begin with. There's updated > ARM hardware from Gateworks but I don't recall if we ever got a port > fully working on it. Thanks for the pointer. Good to know the Avila boards boot. A Ventana = board plus one or more expansion modules actually looks very versatile = and capable of meeting all my requirements (except maybe cost :). The = Laguna boards also look interesting, though probably not quite versatile = enough for this particular project. Can anyone jog Adrian=E2=80=99s = memory on the status of FreeBSD on either of those Gateworks board = families? JN From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 19:57:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718B6A1CAF4; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: from gold.funkthat.com (gate2.funkthat.com [208.87.223.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gold.funkthat.com", Issuer "gold.funkthat.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 495121D50; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: from gold.funkthat.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gold.funkthat.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t9MJve29059603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:57:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by gold.funkthat.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id t9MJveFG059602; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:57:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:57:40 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: John Nielsen Cc: Adrian Chadd , "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: looking for suggestions for a small router/appliance board/SoC Message-ID: <20151022195740.GA65715@funkthat.com> References: <2EB47812-4744-48B5-BEBF-B2074D9EEA8F@jnielsen.net> <8B2138DA-A660-413F-B25A-D99398D587C3@jnielsen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8B2138DA-A660-413F-B25A-D99398D587C3@jnielsen.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 54BA 873B 6515 3F10 9E88 9322 9CB1 8F74 6D3F A396 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html X-TipJar: bitcoin:13Qmb6AeTgQecazTWph4XasEsP7nGRbAPE X-to-the-FBI-CIA-and-NSA: HI! HOW YA DOIN? can i haz chizburger? User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (gold.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:57:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:57:41 -0000 John Nielsen wrote this message on Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 13:48 -0600: > On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:00 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > > > On 22 October 2015 at 10:57, John Nielsen wrote: > >> I???m working on a proof-of-concept for a kind of networking swiss army knife. Can anyone suggest a board that meets the following requirements? CPU arch doesn???t matter as long as it will run FreeBSD (Atom, ARM, MIPS, etc). > >> > >> - Small form factor (SoC, probably) > >> - Can support at least 2 802.11a/b/g/n adapters, prefer 3 (any combination of chip-integrated and mini PCI-e slots. Prefer to avoid USB if possible) > >> - Has or supports at least 2 1GbE ports. Prefer 3-5 ports with switching functionality > >> - Storage not super constrained. Built-in storage (if any) can be small (which I???m arbitrarily defining as less than 128MB) if there is also an SD card slot or similar. USB storage will do in a pinch. > >> - Has at least 2 free USB ports after meeting previous requirements > >> - Serial port or header (or GPIO pins that can be used as one? Not too familiar with that) > >> - Low power consumption (within reason taking the above into account) > >> - Low cost (again, within reason) > >> > >> I may just start with a PC Engines apu1d, but if there are boards that are smaller, cheaper, have lower power requirements and/or have integrated wifi or switch capabilities I???d like to look in to them as well. > >> > >> I know that might be asking a lot, so I???m also open to any suggestions that are most of the way there. Thanks! > > > The PC engines boards are your best bet to begin with. There's updated > > ARM hardware from Gateworks but I don't recall if we ever got a port > > fully working on it. > > Thanks for the pointer. Good to know the Avila boards boot. A Ventana board plus one or more expansion modules actually looks very versatile and capable of meeting all my requirements (except maybe cost :). The Laguna boards also look interesting, though probably not quite versatile enough for this particular project. Can anyone jog Adrian???s memory on the status of FreeBSD on either of those Gateworks board families? I know that the AVILA boards work fine: FreeBSD avila.funkthat.com 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #3 r283010M: Sun May 17 10:16:08 PDT 2015 jmg@carbon.funkthat.com:/a/obj/arm.armeb/a/home/jmg/FreeBSD.svn/HEAD/sys/AVILA arm I can't find info on the Laguna boards... There is a wiki page on that status of the Ventana board: https://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/arm/Ventana But, the PCI slots and second gige aren't supported according to that page... So, if you're willing to spend as much money on a Ventana board, I'd recommend going w/ the Netgate RCC-VE 4860... It has much faster CPU, tons more memory and get better support by being an amd64 based platform... -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not." From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 19:59:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3556AA1CBA6; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:59:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x236.google.com (mail-io0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0021A1E8C; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: by iofz202 with SMTP id z202so103182720iof.2; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:59:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Un4VM0s78n5cpsV9zKNHV+DXWnldikF+vxhsmDAln+0=; b=HNkziM7o1t/QGfVukuJjN9QQ8gNDXiJnBWN7Y3gHFeNY3vsQOFl/wmSXExbvTARGW6 YH07RxxmZLB0eESvHIDttosPEwMm8q+WrdJbRpuRkPDKfCSgFZEvJlanQuOJ7tSW/O1W YLof2pvJq7R5SByPvc60aZlEN8u8DWynQxYKk8K8kDDWanJiVfLUYcv0MGDqacEhILqy +ICQOYZeczGKuRDh5rFet89TmcoOB+XpIt1JC7tFeIWpCOPLp95hswbOnJjBmJvOLYOd cwW9JNBOymvQGTpyyaB6cz5m1zOKyCEE5Rf5W9/1SWQifXjOAm9TPBcPCboQtP/vWZ1m sN/Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.3.72 with SMTP id 69mr17432842iod.75.1445543986336; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.46.66 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:59:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20151022195740.GA65715@funkthat.com> References: <2EB47812-4744-48B5-BEBF-B2074D9EEA8F@jnielsen.net> <8B2138DA-A660-413F-B25A-D99398D587C3@jnielsen.net> <20151022195740.GA65715@funkthat.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:59:46 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: looking for suggestions for a small router/appliance board/SoC From: Adrian Chadd To: John-Mark Gurney Cc: John Nielsen , "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:59:47 -0000 If someone's interested in finishing off the vertana work then let's have a chat with Rui and see if he's interested in a short term contract or something. -a On 22 October 2015 at 12:57, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > John Nielsen wrote this message on Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 13:48 -0600: >> On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:00 PM, Adrian Chadd wrot= e: >> >> > On 22 October 2015 at 10:57, John Nielsen wrote: >> >> I???m working on a proof-of-concept for a kind of networking swiss ar= my knife. Can anyone suggest a board that meets the following requirements?= CPU arch doesn???t matter as long as it will run FreeBSD (Atom, ARM, MIPS,= etc). >> >> >> >> - Small form factor (SoC, probably) >> >> - Can support at least 2 802.11a/b/g/n adapters, prefer 3 (any combi= nation of chip-integrated and mini PCI-e slots. Prefer to avoid USB if poss= ible) >> >> - Has or supports at least 2 1GbE ports. Prefer 3-5 ports with switc= hing functionality >> >> - Storage not super constrained. Built-in storage (if any) can be sm= all (which I???m arbitrarily defining as less than 128MB) if there is also = an SD card slot or similar. USB storage will do in a pinch. >> >> - Has at least 2 free USB ports after meeting previous requirements >> >> - Serial port or header (or GPIO pins that can be used as one? Not t= oo familiar with that) >> >> - Low power consumption (within reason taking the above into account= ) >> >> - Low cost (again, within reason) >> >> >> >> I may just start with a PC Engines apu1d, but if there are boards tha= t are smaller, cheaper, have lower power requirements and/or have integrate= d wifi or switch capabilities I???d like to look in to them as well. >> >> >> >> I know that might be asking a lot, so I???m also open to any suggesti= ons that are most of the way there. Thanks! >> >> > The PC engines boards are your best bet to begin with. There's updated >> > ARM hardware from Gateworks but I don't recall if we ever got a port >> > fully working on it. >> >> Thanks for the pointer. Good to know the Avila boards boot. A Ventana bo= ard plus one or more expansion modules actually looks very versatile and ca= pable of meeting all my requirements (except maybe cost :). The Laguna boar= ds also look interesting, though probably not quite versatile enough for th= is particular project. Can anyone jog Adrian???s memory on the status of Fr= eeBSD on either of those Gateworks board families? > > I know that the AVILA boards work fine: > FreeBSD avila.funkthat.com 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #3 r283010M:= Sun May 17 10:16:08 PDT 2015 jmg@carbon.funkthat.com:/a/obj/arm.armeb/= a/home/jmg/FreeBSD.svn/HEAD/sys/AVILA arm > > I can't find info on the Laguna boards... > > There is a wiki page on that status of the Ventana board: > https://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/arm/Ventana > > But, the PCI slots and second gige aren't supported according to that > page... > > So, if you're willing to spend as much money on a Ventana board, > I'd recommend going w/ the Netgate RCC-VE 4860... It has much faster > CPU, tons more memory and get better support by being an amd64 based > platform... > > -- > John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 > > "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not." From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 20:15:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB3CA1CE96 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 20:15:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@netgate.com) Received: from mail-oi0-x22f.google.com (mail-oi0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0942215B0 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 20:15:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@netgate.com) Received: by oiad129 with SMTP id d129so54435223oia.0 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:15:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=netgate.com; s=google; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=H3n7BGuMTpUONP4HJJUg9/rvJRYXOnDsw/oE6asve0c=; b=ct+zTYnh4Cj8q4bNeFe69pSQFMmiFqtzjA+k68dOCkP6CuhpO90Ps0ICV251QLrkK5 gVOOvm7DlLGNsNCasy0KTISr2+XZkUf1XAJOBIFiXpvMyS7m+t4aME4S2jSeTSHBlUiV qN0HclDu0mQ39EE1wSxmeCPHCyzzsZgT1d+mU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=H3n7BGuMTpUONP4HJJUg9/rvJRYXOnDsw/oE6asve0c=; b=k8R2lAkK12L4aOYlrb4d/c32Zp4/ya/G/Ym+4BUW/9gPbQ4B/lpRODN9ke/2jm8/4E unx3aXoImyXSkKdbP8qE9x/0BQFARz7BwWYyw4pkHVeAyclxT2MKV34xHvR0KBimLSFR oTsV+LZjTBfKeGh6HtLh4xdjXncYncqz7jMOFOJ45vcSwgmCHRs1Y0UhBo2f6NU8/r4I A0zeAhzJqAGpRDPMIT8quRNSfnO+anP9B+LM1tfqfMwdPvw/o/wB1xh46TEmyrKIyNBP rsNirw/+xZPo0vKnucgKSLQZRAOuVfepzrwDbqY8a9AyNqDJdUyjXybVI0WWeDj/gnWe yTWg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmByQe2uEpwFW3ht/TPyK5b2I86ClpBgXrDv9ma1ia88fIWTDrFxvIC8LTEuGGg5eWtcsE2 X-Received: by 10.202.87.3 with SMTP id l3mr11849879oib.3.1445544907266; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2610:160:11:33:c192:fa36:e098:5284? ([2610:160:11:33:c192:fa36:e098:5284]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id cu1sm6511437oeb.1.2015.10.22.13.15.05 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) Subject: Re: looking for suggestions for a small router/appliance board/SoC From: Jim Thompson In-Reply-To: <7D3FEA1A-0EAF-4B0A-867D-49DCEF34D0CC@jnielsen.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:15:04 -0500 Cc: freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org, freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <2EB47812-4744-48B5-BEBF-B2074D9EEA8F@jnielsen.net> <7D3FEA1A-0EAF-4B0A-867D-49DCEF34D0CC@jnielsen.net> To: John Nielsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 20:15:08 -0000 > On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:39 PM, John Nielsen wrote: >=20 > On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >=20 >>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:57 PM, John Nielsen = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi- >>>=20 >>> I=E2=80=99m working on a proof-of-concept for a kind of networking = swiss army knife. Can anyone suggest a board that meets the following = requirements? CPU arch doesn=E2=80=99t matter as long as it will run = FreeBSD (Atom, ARM, MIPS, etc). >>>=20 >>> - Small form factor (SoC, probably) >>> - Can support at least 2 802.11a/b/g/n adapters, prefer 3 (any = combination of chip-integrated and mini PCI-e slots. Prefer to avoid USB = if possible) >>=20 >> I openly question your need or the desirability for 3 802.11 = adapters. It can be made to work, but you=E2=80=99re going to have some = intermod. >=20 > I don=E2=80=99t mind being questioned. :) I haven=E2=80=99t yet had to = worry much about intermod; can you educate me? One or two of the radios = would be in the 5GHz band at any given time. One scenario (out of = several) where I envisioned having 3 radios is taking a wireless uplink = (STA in either 2.4 or 5 GHz band) and repeating it (HOSTAP) on both 2.4 = and 5 GHz. Totally crazy? Many people believe that there are =E2=80=9Cthree non-overlapping=E2=80=9D= channels for use with 802.11b/802.11g/802.11n in 2.4GHz. While the transmit masks don=E2=80=99t overlap, the selectivity of the = receiver (especially after the industry turned to direct conversion = architectures around the advent of 802.11g) is not sufficient to operate even two radios in = any given bad (2.4GHz, etc.) It=E2=80=99s all been covered before. You=E2=80=99ve unknowingly hit = =E2=80=9CJim=E2=80=99s favorite point of banter=E2=80=9D. = https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-wireless/2013-December/004158.= html http://seclists.org/interesting-people/2009/Oct/77 http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/manet/current/msg05757.html http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2004-April/006524.html Even where you can operate in separate bands, there are mixing products = that can greatly interfere with correct reception. Receivers live under constant bombardment of signals which enter through = the antenna port. Some of these signals are immediately attenuated due = to front-end filtering, (aka pre-selection). When the remaining signals = reach a non-linear element, such as a detector, mixer or amplifier, = harmonics of the signals are generated. Most of the harmonics are well = outside the pass band of RF and IF filters and cause no problems. However there are some frequencies where the mixing products =E2=80=93 = intermodulation products =E2=80=93 of the various signals fall on or = near the desired receive frequency range. The intermodulation products = that tend to cause the most problems are the so-called odd-order = products. This is true because odd-order products of signals near your = desired receive frequency also are near your receive frequency. 802.11 = systems tend to suffer more from these issues due to the uniform spacing = of the channels. (Remember that OFDM separates the signal out into many = sub-channels.) With DC receivers, the intermediate frequency is zero and the image to = the desired channel (for all but single-sideband signals) is the channel = itself. This means=20 only one local oscillator (LO) is required, which means only one phase = noise contribution, and as such, the need for the bulky off-chip filters = is consequently removed. Filtering now only occurs at low frequencies = (baseband) with some amplification, which means less current consumption = than at higher frequencies (to drive device parasitics), fewer = components and lower cost. This is all good, and contributes the much = lower cost for today=E2=80=99s 802.11 radios, though the largest = contributor here is the absence of SAW filters at the IF in a superhet = receiver. Practically, however, strong out-of-band interference or blocking = signals may need to be removed prior to down-conversion in order to = avoid desensitizing the receiver by saturating subsequent stages, as = well as producing harmonics and intermodulation terms which will then = appear in the baseband. =20 In direct conversion, as the signal of interest is converted to baseband = very early in the receive chain, without any filtering other than RF = band-selection, various phenomena contribute to the creation of DC = signals, which directly appear as interfering signals in the band of = interest. The LO may be conducted or radiated through an unintended = path to the mixer's RF input port, thus effectively mixing with itself, = producing an unwanted DC component at the mixer output. Worse still, = this LO leakage may reach the LNA input, producing an even stronger = result. This effect presents a high barrier against the integration of = LO, mixer and LNA on a single silicon substrate, where numerous = mechanisms can contribute to poor isolation. These include substrate = coupling, ground bounce, bond wire radiation, and capacitive and = magnetic coupling. I=E2=80=99ve seen LO signals cross over the PCI bus = lines. (Vivato had a design with 14 802.11b (superhet) radios on the = same PCB. I improved that to 6 802.11g (DC, Atheros) radios on discrete = cards.) Conversely, a strong in-band interference signal, once amplified by the = LNA, may find a path to the LO-input port of the mixer, thus once again = producing self-mixing.=20 Some amount of LO power will be conducted through the mixer and LNA (due = to their non-ideal reverse isolation) to the antenna. The radiated = power, appearing as an interferer to other receivers in the = corresponding band, may violate emissions standards of the given system. = It is important to note that since the LO frequency is inside the = receive band, the front-end filters do nothing to suppress this LO = emission. Additionally, the radiated LO signal can then be reflected by = buildings or moving objects and re-captured by the antenna. This effect, = however, is not of significant importance compared to the aforementioned = LO self-mixing and blocking signal self-mixing.=20 The leakage of LO or RF signals to the opposite mixer port is not the = only way in which unwanted DC can be produced. Any stage that exhibits = even-order nonlinearity will also generate a DC output. Suffice it to state that many people have this idea, but few actually = endure the engineering to make it a) work and b) be legal in a given = (set of) regulatory domain(s). >>> - Has or supports at least 2 1GbE ports. Prefer 3-5 ports with = switching functionality >>> - Storage not super constrained. Built-in storage (if any) can be = small (which I=E2=80=99m arbitrarily defining as less than 128MB) if = there is also an SD card slot or similar. USB storage will do in a = pinch. >>> - Has at least 2 free USB ports after meeting previous requirements >>> - Serial port or header (or GPIO pins that can be used as one? Not = too familiar with that) >>> - Low power consumption (within reason taking the above into = account) >>> - Low cost (again, within reason) >>>=20 >>> I may just start with a PC Engines apu1d, but if there are boards = that are smaller, cheaper, have lower power requirements and/or have = integrated wifi or switch capabilities I=E2=80=99d like to look in to = them as well. >>=20 >> you can probably get APU in low-volume, but quantity is very = constrained these days (it=E2=80=99s been true all year). >=20 > Good to know. >=20 >> We do have the RCC-VE and RCC-DFF units available. >>=20 >> http://store.netgate.com/Desktop-Systems-C83.aspx >=20 > Thanks for the link! You could also look at Minnowboard Max (quite difficult to get) or = Minnowboard Turbot. http://www.minnowboard.org/meet-minnowboard-max/ From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 11:23:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DECA1C52F; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:23:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from huubsch@xs4all.nl) Received: from lb2-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net (lb2-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net [194.109.24.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.xs4all.nl", Issuer "GlobalSign Domain Validation CA - SHA256 - G2" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C64D91C55; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:23:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from huubsch@xs4all.nl) Received: from iMac-van-Huub.fritz.box ([83.160.119.88]) by smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net with ESMTP id YbMs1r00F1uXTTF01bMtqT; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:21:54 +0200 Subject: Re: looking for suggestions for a small router/appliance board/SoC To: freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org, freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org References: <2EB47812-4744-48B5-BEBF-B2074D9EEA8F@jnielsen.net> From: Huub Schuurmans Message-ID: <562A1850.9040602@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:21:52 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:23:07 -0000 Op 22/10/15 om 20:19 schreef Jim Thompson: >> >> I may just start with a PC Engines apu1d, but if there are boards that are smaller, cheaper, have lower power requirements and/or have integrated wifi or switch capabilities I’d like to look in to them as well. > > you can probably get APU in low-volume, but quantity is very constrained these days (it’s been true all year). > APU meets all your specifications, we have never had a problem in getting these from PCEngines. Acoording to their website they have some 500 in stock now. Huub From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Fri Oct 23 22:41:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40279A1D0DD; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:41:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from webmail2.jnielsen.net (webmail2.jnielsen.net [50.114.224.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "webmail2.jnielsen.net", Issuer "freebsdsolutions.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 177DE829; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:41:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from [10.10.1.196] (office.betterlinux.com [199.58.199.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by webmail2.jnielsen.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t9NMfMp7054491 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:41:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail2.jnielsen.net: Host office.betterlinux.com [199.58.199.60] claimed to be [10.10.1.196] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) Subject: Re: looking for suggestions for a small router/appliance board/SoC From: John Nielsen In-Reply-To: <562A1850.9040602@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:41:22 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <315B1E0A-8658-432E-8DBC-CBBB6FC7D0D3@jnielsen.net> References: <2EB47812-4744-48B5-BEBF-B2074D9EEA8F@jnielsen.net> <562A1850.9040602@xs4all.nl> To: freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org, freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:41:32 -0000 On Oct 23, 2015, at 5:21 AM, Huub Schuurmans wrote: > Op 22/10/15 om 20:19 schreef Jim Thompson: >=20 >>>=20 >>> I may just start with a PC Engines apu1d, but if there are boards = that are smaller, cheaper, have lower power requirements and/or have = integrated wifi or switch capabilities I=E2=80=99d like to look in to = them as well. >>=20 >> you can probably get APU in low-volume, but quantity is very = constrained these days (it=E2=80=99s been true all year). >=20 > APU meets all your specifications, we have never had a problem in > getting these from PCEngines. Acoording to their website they have = some > 500 in stock now. Yes, I=E2=80=99ll probably stick with an APU for now since I can get it = with dual wireless cards and a 4GB SD card for just over $200 US. I=E2=80=99d still like something smaller if possible, though. It looks = like there are some MIPS wireless access points that could fit the bill = if I revise my requirements (especially storage). I see there are = freebsd-wifi-build scripts for the TP-Link TL-WDR3600, so it might be a = good starting point. Has anyone tried a newer TP-Link like the WDR4300? = Other suggestions? Thanks! Revised requirements: - Capable of running FreeBSD - Dual band wifi with adapters supported by FreeBSD in HOSTAP mode = (Qualcomm/Atheros good, Broadcom bad?) - 3+ GbE ports - 8+ MB of storage (if Adrian=E2=80=99s scripts can still do an image = that small with some headroom), more is better - 64+ MB of RAM, more is better - 2 USB ports JN From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Sat Oct 24 09:18:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1963EA1C913 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 09:18:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0610C105B for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 09:18:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id t9O9Ib2o095237 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 09:18:37 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 201958] [patch] MIPS: Add RT5350F SoC support Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 09:18:38 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: CC X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Base System X-Bugzilla-Component: kern X-Bugzilla-Version: 11.0-CURRENT X-Bugzilla-Keywords: feature, patch X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: koobs@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Target-Milestone: --- X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: cc rep_platform keywords Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 09:18:38 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=201958 Kubilay Kocak changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.or | |g Hardware|Any |mips Keywords| |feature -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Sat Oct 24 16:56:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CB6A1DF6F for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:56:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 920191BA7 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:56:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id t9OGudVY052996 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:56:39 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 201958] [patch] MIPS: Add RT5350F SoC support Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:56:38 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: CC X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Base System X-Bugzilla-Component: kern X-Bugzilla-Version: 11.0-CURRENT X-Bugzilla-Keywords: feature, patch X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: adrian@freebsd.org X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Target-Milestone: --- X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: cc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:56:39 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=201958 Adrian Chadd changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |adrian@freebsd.org --- Comment #1 from Adrian Chadd --- hi! Cool. I'll look at committing this soon. Question: why'd you remove GPIO_BIT_SET/GPIO_BIT_CLR? You're directly calling the bus_read/bus_write code now. Is this intentional? Does this also work with RT305x? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Sat Oct 24 16:56:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C259AA1DF98 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:56:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF80C1C1D for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:56:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id t9OGujGw053082 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:56:45 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 201958] [patch] MIPS: Add RT5350F SoC support Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:56:45 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: CC X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Base System X-Bugzilla-Component: kern X-Bugzilla-Version: 11.0-CURRENT X-Bugzilla-Keywords: feature, patch X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: adrian@freebsd.org X-Bugzilla-Status: In Progress X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Target-Milestone: --- X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: bug_status Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:56:45 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=201958 Adrian Chadd changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|New |In Progress -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Sat Oct 24 17:01:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC35BA1E0E8 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 17:01:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B97D91DB6 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 17:01:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id t9OH1q8I087695 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 17:01:52 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 201958] [patch] MIPS: Add RT5350F SoC support Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 17:01:52 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: CC X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Base System X-Bugzilla-Component: kern X-Bugzilla-Version: 11.0-CURRENT X-Bugzilla-Keywords: feature, patch X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: manu@bidouilliste.com X-Bugzilla-Status: In Progress X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Target-Milestone: --- X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 17:01:52 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=201958 --- Comment #2 from Emmanuel Vadot --- The macros were removed cause they didn't work and I was too lazy at the time to check what was the problem. And, of course, after I forgot to correct and use them. I don't have any RT305x hardware to test so I don't know if I broke something or not. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. From owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org Sat Oct 24 17:05:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-embedded@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5856A1E25E for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 17:05:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::16:76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2A7E1FE3 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 17:05:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from bugs.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.118]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id t9OH5H55099600 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 17:05:17 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 201958] [patch] MIPS: Add RT5350F SoC support Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 17:05:17 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: CC X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Base System X-Bugzilla-Component: kern X-Bugzilla-Version: 11.0-CURRENT X-Bugzilla-Keywords: feature, patch X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: adrian@freebsd.org X-Bugzilla-Status: In Progress X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Target-Milestone: --- X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 17:05:17 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=201958 --- Comment #3 from Adrian Chadd --- ok, let's go see if I can find some RT305x and RT5350 hardware to test with. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.