From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG  Thu Jul 13 14:42:05 2006
Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125])
	by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8196216A4E0
	for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>;
	Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:42:05 +0000 (UTC)
	(envelope-from danial_thom@yahoo.com)
Received: from web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com
	[68.142.206.124])
	by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1FE0743D60
	for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>;
	Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:42:03 +0000 (GMT)
	(envelope-from danial_thom@yahoo.com)
Received: (qmail 62480 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jul 2006 14:42:02 -0000
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com;
	h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding;
	b=20lJcMSC98u6OYeAk8187dcrWTmc6n/jypv4j0DgOipV03skcM6Cr7Vq6cMlOMkpx5yz4lLssOMXBCmkRahERAus7DQyhhFemcd+QwCsmXSaXRGQNEhys2bTjOxsOt5iA75lehvgnpkZLjtTnH3cLrxVqb73+GOKaBAw8bWq4HI=
	; 
Message-ID: <20060713144202.62478.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Received: from [65.34.182.15] by web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP;
	Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:42:02 PDT
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:42:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Danial Thom <danial_thom@yahoo.com>
To: DW <spock@dwinner.net>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
In-Reply-To: <44B64B08.8080405@dwinner.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Cc: danial_thom@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: *bsd firewall appliance?
X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
Reply-To: danial_thom@yahoo.com
List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, 
	<mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions>
List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, 
	<mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:42:05 -0000



--- DW <spock@dwinner.net> wrote:

> Danial Thom wrote:
> > You clowns with your diskless servers just
> crack
> > me up. Everyone brags about their years of
> uptime
> > on their servers, yet you just can't put up a
> > firewall or router without a disk. What, are
> you
> > still using mfm drives or something? 
> >   
> My motives have nothing to do with reliability;
> I am not philosophically 
> opposed to disks or moving parts. I'm just
> reaching the point more often 
> lately where I'm looking at:
> 
> 1) Form factor (there are organizations where
> real estate holds almost 
> as much premium as department funds).
> 
> 2) Heat output (I just had 2 more 2-ton
> mini-split A.C. units installed 
> -- that'll hold me for a while, but at the rate
> we're expanding, I don't 
> want to be faced with a situation again where
> I'm looking at a box doing 
> a small job like running BIND  spitting out
> 1,000 BTU's/hour)
> 
> 3) Power consumption (why draw more than
> necessary?)
> 
> It seems that more and more my bottlenecks have
> nothing to do with 
> performance or reliability, but rather physical
> facility management. It 
> all adds up.

Interesting that you have all of these practical
issues, yet you want to do something totally
impractical, such as replace your pix with a
freebsd box.

Why not use one of your existing freebsd servers
as a firewall? then you have zero additional real
estate or power consumption. 

DT

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com