From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 00:25:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24867106566C; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:25:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan.robert.anderson@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7568FC12; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wicr5 with SMTP id r5so1201904wic.13 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:25:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=5m2kiqw8dgN/bnTmDUtx9XpOQka1Gm6vfhWBqOxJ7N0=; b=o3UFL+mxc88PEE8Fh3EeCKLOVshT+UoGC7cEsV0eSqKyie9mY6xqNt7UN5TkNrf7m9 2NjK4WEZ19xye/J4aQ7uHr8OxT/k1GPnXG17V5clJDBA4J66UvSywQcxhI6etFJHS+DY unEIEoJCh7QW2nsuasgQXPqp9Y2ZmrUpBvxDmBayYoQZP5ST5vdN5f2qe5PZPbsGLtBi v2ZyeH0RUrQmeMyS50MflYFZNJ8EBwtf8xCoi5F44rxD1glRdv76Rp4xsSeYvfznuwO4 ZRY68mMWrIEO2zLkSIzfg/Hg3rMBL+I5w0Kp7bO6CGiONONe5Dh70+f6Mo3vhFLRza3s 8tzA== Received: by 10.216.207.167 with SMTP id n39mr3819489weo.23.1345854317099; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc2-cmbg15-2-0-cust323.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com. [86.26.13.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o2sm1855613wiz.11.2012.08.24.17.25.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) From: Jonathan Anderson In-Reply-To: <50380269.6020003@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:25:15 +0100 Message-Id: <67BB0A66-A9D2-4257-A91E-C249B8076A87@gmail.com> References: <97612B57-1255-4BB3-A6D3-FC74324C6D67@FreeBSD.org> <20120824081543.GB2998@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <50380269.6020003@FreeBSD.org> To: Doug Barton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:24:31 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, Steve Wills , Baptiste Daroussin , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:25:19 -0000 On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton wrote: > Let me rephrase that more simply ... very few users are ever going to > need the bootstrapping tool that will be in the base. But surely the whole point of pkgng is that people *will* use pkg as the = default method of acquiring third-party software, so they'll want to = "pkg install foo" and have it Just Work. To say either "you must = download the ports tree in order to use binary packages" or "you must = use pkg_add to install pkg" seems to miss the point... Jon -- Jonathan Anderson jonathan@FreeBSD.org http://freebsd.org/~jonathan/=