From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 22 06:10:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFD3ED65; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 06:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpauth4.wiscmail.wisc.edu (wmauth4.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.145]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCAB47BE; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 06:10:25 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Received: from avs-daemon.smtpauth4.wiscmail.wisc.edu by smtpauth4.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.01(7.0.4.27.0) 64bit (built Aug 30 2012)) id <0N2T00J00N83GO00@smtpauth4.wiscmail.wisc.edu>; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 01:10:18 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-PmxInfo: Server=avs-4, Version=6.0.3.2322014, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2014.3.22.60015, SenderIP=0.0.0.0 X-Spam-Report: AuthenticatedSender=yes, SenderIP=0.0.0.0 Received: from comporellon.tachypleus.net (75-101-50-44.dsl.static.sonic.net [75.101.50.44]) by smtpauth4.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.01(7.0.4.27.0) 64bit (built Aug 30 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0N2T00GLGQH5LY10@smtpauth4.wiscmail.wisc.edu>; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 01:10:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <532D2948.9050606@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 23:10:16 -0700 From: Nathan Whitehorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 To: Ruslan Bukin , Andrew Turner Subject: Re: svn commit: r263424 - head/sys/arm/conf References: <201403201701.s2KH1L84024044@svn.freebsd.org> <20140321094316.76ccf459@bender.Home> <20140322052957.GA23556@machdep.com> In-reply-to: <20140322052957.GA23556@machdep.com> Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 06:10:26 -0000 On 03/21/14 22:29, Ruslan Bukin wrote: > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 09:43:16AM +0000, Andrew Turner wrote: >> On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:01:21 +0000 (UTC) >> Ruslan Bukin wrote: >> >>> Author: br >>> Date: Thu Mar 20 17:01:21 2014 >>> New Revision: 263424 >>> URL: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/263424 >>> >>> Log: >>> Disable debugging by default. >> I don't like this on head. I have found a number of issues that were >> hidden because the kernel config most people were using for development >> had WITNESS, INVARIANTS and DIAGNOSTIC disabled. >> > I think arm codebase is so small, so every commit is like > a huge evolutional update... > Is anyone merging every commit to stable? no > so I think arm users prefered to run -current, not stable. > (say they need fb driver for chromebook). > > Developer can set debug locally any time, but users no idea > about debugging is ON, so they get running slow system, > and then got disappointed. > > -Ruslan > > It's still super dangerous. For one thing, it means the debug code will bitrot since it is never turned on. For another, the beginning of /usr/src/UPDATING has a huge banner about this and what to do about it already. -Nathan