From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 10 14:54:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA25126 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 10 May 1997 14:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25117 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 14:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12857; Sat, 10 May 1997 14:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705102153.OAA12857@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Terry Lambert cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, chuckr@mat.net, moore@WOLFENET.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: g++ shared library segfaults In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 10 May 1997 14:04:56 PDT." <199705102104.OAA04438@phaeton.artisoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 14:53:58 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mea Culpa got a little lost in the meaning of semantics I should have known better what you meant :( Reduction or "Beauty" as it is known in certain other fields is different than brute force methods. Actually, I shouldn't talk down too much brute force --- just ask the current World Chess champion 8) Now working smart and choosing your constraints carefully is a different issue. At any rate back to work over here , based on the feedback that I gotten so far I am looking into webtk and amulet -- Now just because I am looking into those packages does not mean that I am going to use tcl/tck nor the amulet library -- there is such a thing call abstraction 8) Not too say that is really the way to go however I am really impress by webtk --- excellent example of what a poor language can do. So in one corner we have webtk with is obvious advantage/disadvantage and in the opposite corner we have Qt and Amulet. Qt seems easier to use however it lacks a nice GUI builder what is nice about it is its meta object interface for tokens "slots" and "signals". Don't know that much about Amulet yet just got it compile over here so far it looks like a strong contender not so much for it object oriented interface rather for its supporting functionality for constraints : gesture recognition, animation, ability to mimic look/feel for mac/win95/motif. Amulet comes with a "nice" gui builder -- just try it out over here and it looks like it can be useful. Enjoy, Amancio >From The Desk Of Terry Lambert : > > > > > What I am looking for is for experienced programmers that can > > > > > come in and do the "job" -- the job being defined as a cool > > > > > document program. > > > > > > > > That job is about 3 man-years worth of work. > > > > > > Cool. If he can get 365 volunteers (and one leap-volunteer 8-)) > > > then he can be done in 3 days. > > > > Actually, 9 pregnant women can not deliver one baby in a month. > > > > "Mythical Man Month" by Fred Brooks first published in 1975. > > > > For those interested the book is about managing large scale projects. > > > > Reducing complex problems is not the same as throwing bodies at > > a project. > > I know. I was making the distinction between 9 motivated programmers > and throwing 365 bodies at the problem. Jordan seemed to be implying > that your call for programmers was a throwing of bodies, and that > something that would take 3 many years was not worth pursuing on a > voluntary basis. > > > Regards, > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers.