From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 26 22:34:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB64F99CBE2 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 22:34:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-qk0-f174.google.com (mail-qk0-f174.google.com [209.85.220.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5419AB13 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 22:34:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by qkfc129 with SMTP id c129so34213310qkf.1 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 15:34:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rBasI+pb9sgnvw2j1BGfPQMOSK9qicnIXxjyIGxy+2w=; b=LeeN4lXDcSky+VwZNeJYwXhOrVqeaWDC9brSP+Lnz8oBxXWXa9cXMV9OYKH2ykhYGU XY+EfjPUiMyVPULtWwdDJkwasF1VKL8B7ZTjonojZjgM0K5s+Oz9PVrVs9/QafQM03tC p1+rhazFNQPPCfnDhMFLvYPZEdYtYSgoC6NOioeaqylXH7xwcFkk7B+4vqFOsGbdR3WG IrQTsVWrx6MtbJfVWCB2aIicz3VUzBN9ZkiTFOMsxul66IfjzJZsXXeIo2K23ZK+wiKc X4UcemnpBTjJ0WHsZVzKvRf9t0fyZTODQzGdwVTI4UY200pVHPFFt1HieJmYpDoGztzH xrZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmwF+g2sZaTpDAw2AG5Ht4CUlyEW959gkNOliuHRmQNoD9GwEhpvjI4S80LygEYSYTVObo8 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.55.41.160 with SMTP id p32mr36568586qkp.6.1437950043062; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 15:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.41.197 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 15:34:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150726210150.GG1843@mordor.lan> References: <0MRCCJ-1ZUCcr1rAt-00UeQk@mail.gmx.com> <20150726210150.GG1843@mordor.lan> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 18:34:02 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Endless Data Loss From: Michael Sierchio To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 22:34:11 -0000 On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 5:01 PM, Julien Cigar wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 06:30:38PM +0200, CeDeROM wrote: > > > UFS2 SU+J has failed me several times as well. I also ocassionaly > > experienced root filesystem corruption that prevented valid boot. Even > on a > > fresh install and new hardware I consider UFS2 SU+J unreliable.. I am not > > sure why this got into production :-( > > Same here.. (on 10.1-RELEASE) > > I turned off soft updates journaling on all my machines since the day > one of my file system (on a production machine) was corrupted. This has been my experience as well. SU+J also breaks filesystem snapshots, which are incredibly useful for dump, tarsnap, etc. - M