From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 7 16:20:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E24F16A400 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:20:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D3613C4AA for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:20:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (ufwdix@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l27GKo0j043457; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:20:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id l27GKoDb043456; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:20:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <200703071620.l27GKoDb043456@lurza.secnetix.de> To: tedm@toybox.placo.com (Ted Mittelstaedt) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:20:50 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <014301c760ce$3fb08150$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:20:56 +0100 (CET) Cc: hildebeb@mts.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, gldisater@gmail.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD Torrent Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:20:58 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > Before the "devil" controversy flared up, there was no usage of > "mascot" in relation to Beastie. Historically, the daemon image was always used as a mascot for BSD (not just FreeBSD). I've always perceived it that way. FreeBSD in particular adopted the daemon rendering by Tatsumi Hosokawa and used it both as a mascot and a logo (because of lack of a real logo). > There is no law or requirement that says that anyone cannot still > continue to use the Beastie image as a logo if they want. Sure, you can use it whatever way you want, subject to the copyright restrictions. > What we got from the contest is simply a second image that can be > used as a logo. What we got from the contest is simply an _official_ logo. The daemon image is not an officiel logo of the FreeBSD project. > > Just look at www.freebsd.org. > > It doesn't look axed to me. ;-) > > If the pro-Beastie people had rolled over without complaining then > Beastie would not be on the website anymore. What happened is that > in order to calm the controversy, the website designers continued to use > Beastie on the website. For now, that is. But there is a long term > plan to gradually convince the userbase that Beastie is obsolete, and > one of the techniques is rewriting history on the public forums, like > you are attempting to do here with your post. That's pure speculation (and quite paranoid). The daemon image is still visible on many FreeBSD.org web pages. In fact, no less pages than before the contest, and there is no indication that it might change. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd With Perl you can manipulate text, interact with programs, talk over networks, drive Web pages, perform arbitrary precision arithmetic, and write programs that look like Snoopy swearing.