From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 13:34:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4F037B417 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g5DKYZp41314 ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:34:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id WAA23698 ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:34:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:34:35 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Brett Glass Cc: Ryan Thompson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who is this Charlie guy in /etc/passwd? Message-ID: <20020613223435.A23313@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Brett Glass , Ryan Thompson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020612214125.02fa4dc0@localhost> <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> <20020613163826.A1543@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20020613140653.00d64340@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613140653.00d64340@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 02:08:14PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass said on Jun 13, 2002 at 14:08:14: > At 08:38 AM 6/13/2002, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > ``I cringe when I see them,'' says the movie critic Roger Ebert, a > > hatitue of CompuServe, interviewed via e-mail. On the other hand, he > > adds, ``smileys might be a real help for today's students, raised on > > TV and unskilled at spotting irony without a laugh track.'' > > Ebert fails to recognize that what the smiley is substituting for > is intonation, which (in most cultures) is what disambiguates irony. You forget that written language existed for millennia before smileys became widespread. Also, irony isn't the same thing as humour. I think a smiley is particularly inappropriate for true irony or sarcasm, which is often meant to be cutting or insulting. If it wasn't meant to be cutting, the writer should make sure it doesn't read that way in the first place, rather than tack on a smiley as an afterthought... I'm not totally anti-smiley, I often use them myself. But I don't like seeing them thrown in every two sentences. So I can sympathize with those quotes. Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message