From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 3 21:16:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF43106564A; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 21:16:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kmacybsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2098FC14; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 21:16:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so5120616iah.13 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 13:16:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=4INuS29uHUzT5IWSWw7z+oAl/eaWFGAsKM4rEvY3teU=; b=WVe8TiRbotJw2BebPksC9IlbHjiJgBZNtUrjKrwIK4KHwOwv0Bgoz42HDUdnjY0C+C 6ZiGhOn/+/XGxanaNhFU4W6dJJKZueAn7J8TsnZMkB4G8Xd6g7L4bZS8TXxscPSL+UUp VucXu0EXUkGy5m1dJ1g10GJgOD4j7xIiLilCayiIOwQRWXqxwOaiKOiMhcoIupsrv8rF H7xfGMVMoZ8JJysU00OkFL/zF3ROt9191aUbRUgN+csCRQd0EmdTSR3BO54/nwKNgytt gWPBgkP6xnUvor/7ZJd5NW3f/EPzTDduFYY4C8zEr7hlmJI02t8AcFQKTQay0CX40pgx yWaw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.140.2 with SMTP id rc2mr2117009igb.22.1330809384867; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 13:16:24 -0800 (PST) Sender: kmacybsd@gmail.com Received: by 10.50.134.106 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 13:16:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F528886.4050606@FreeBSD.org> References: <20120221143537.Horde.deyFDZjmRSRPQ52pxBIpnLA@webmail.leidinger.net> <4F4BA707.5070608@wasikowski.net> <4F4C3FE7.3040802@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D51CB.2010508@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D5E5D.9040302@FreeBSD.org> <4F4DD288.5060106@FreeBSD.org> <4F4ED889.2070608@FreeBSD.org> <4F500BB9.4040307@FreeBSD.org> <4F5088CA.1090108@FreeBSD.org> <4F510FBD.50008@FreeBSD.org> <4F51BEE0.7090108@freebsd.org> <4F528517.5090702@FreeBSD.org> <4F528886.4050606@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:16:24 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bQUkFJEapnhHMEhac5Js5UsjfZI Message-ID: From: "K. Macy" To: Doug Barton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Stable , Garrett Cooper , =?ISO-8859-2?Q?z_W=B1sikowski?= , FreeBSD Current , Arnaud Lacombe , "Bjoern A. Zeeb" , Alexander Leidinger , Julian Elischer Subject: Re: flowtable usable or not X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 21:16:25 -0000 On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > On 03/03/2012 13:03, K. Macy wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >>> On 03/03/2012 08:53, K. Macy wrote: >>>> a) We as a members of the community are collectively responsible for >>>> the state of FreeBSD. Simply disabling features or removing >>>> functionality that doesn't work or doesn't work optimally and / or >>>> filing bug reports but not being able or willing to respond to >>>> feedback requests is in essence a form of neglect. Although we all >>>> have day to day obligations for which the use of FreeBSD is extremely >>>> impractical if not impossible ... any progress, any improvements, any >>>> advancements will only happen because *we* made it happen. >>> >>> Since we're reiterating key points, I'll do mine one more time. While I >>> sympathize with what you wrote above, if you continue to believe that >> >> *users* >> >>> have a responsibility to help you debug new features you're going >>> to be disappointed and frustrated. >> >> Users don't, community members do. > > You're drawing a distinction that I don't. > I'm drawing a distinction that you don't make or can't make? Like I said I expect a group of people whose existence as a distinct entity you are unaware of to be helpful. The initial conflict stemmed from confusion on my part that you belong to that group. However, as you've repeatedly made clear you don't, so I was wrong to have been critical of you. I apologize for the confusion. Cheers