From owner-freebsd-net Tue Aug 28 10:35:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F53937B406 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:35:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f7SHZaq19524; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:35:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:35:36 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Garrett Wollman Cc: Mike Tancsa , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Runt frames = broken VLAN ? Message-ID: <20010828103536.D10481@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010828010515.0221d380@192.168.0.12> <200108281654.f7SGsIF38299@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ieNMXl1Fr3cevapt" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200108281654.f7SGsIF38299@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>; from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu on Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:54:18PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ieNMXl1Fr3cevapt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:54:18PM -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: >=20 > > Can anyone tell me why the VLAN code might be causing my switches (cisc= os)=20 > > to see a lot of runt frames when the interface is in 802.1q trunking mo= de ?=20 >=20 > It's possible that the Cisco is (bogusly, IMHO) trying to enforce the > Ethernet minimum frame length on the *de*capsulated frames. If you > send a frame that's less than 60 octets long, it gets encapsulated > (adding another four octets) and then padded by the interface up to 64 > octets. After the encapsulation is removed by the receiver, the frame > appears to only be 60 octets long. >=20 > I'd call it a Cisco bug. The minimum frame length in Ethernet arises > from the electrical parameters of the original CSMA/CD Ethernet > design; what matters is the number of clocks the transmitter is > active, not the length of the payload. But doesn't the switch have to assume that the VLAN will be attached to some non-trunked ports, in which case the packets must be an appropriate length. From a switch vendor's perspective the case of a VLAN with no non-trunked ports is going to be a bizzare edge case. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --ieNMXl1Fr3cevapt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7i9ZnXY6L6fI4GtQRAtosAJ9ESjVjJL8JijDjcDP6n1aCxcY7ogCgs11J EJQXU/gOTI8noHzpxFiUCmo= =7/y+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ieNMXl1Fr3cevapt-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message