From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 20 04:03:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB0116A47E for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:03:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dennisolvany@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE4543D46 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:03:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dennisolvany@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i34so1154868wra for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:03:14 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fxPBMzL0He6+H/axlbbhBuFwctXCNFn8+HyO0gZ90IBlaR5bmqfnxtMhtxoR1f4ME/H95fFt9ZkxH/cogzaNbtx9XrEM6fWNlB5YhITQ+wdUrZ+tXXifhiXd20GlBeBBlwyUbPvZHKkXcWeIHUNOB4d1IC1/kq/6BTmU7oJXnfQ= Received: by 10.54.151.19 with SMTP id y19mr74700wrd; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?195.16.87.34? ( [195.16.87.34]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 24sm7857866wrl.2006.06.19.21.03.11; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4497737D.5020902@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:03:09 -0500 From: Dennis Olvany User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060211) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <4495F9A1.8040407@gmail.com> <867j3dwjq3.fsf@xps.des.no> <449691D9.4020704@gmail.com> <86odwputto.fsf@xps.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86odwputto.fsf@xps.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: David Hoffman , freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org, thisdayislong , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, ingrid@cityscope.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Serious breach of copyright -- First post X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:03:17 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Dennis Olvany writes: >> The concept of a fact obviously may not be copyrighted because it is >> merely a concept. Barring descriptive literary devices, the facts may be >> copied at will in their expressed form. A photo, being a descriptive >> device, is copyrightable. Considering the example of the Haynes manual, >> I can extract factual information --such as a starter change procedure-- >> from the manual word-for-word and use it. > No, you can't. Don't take my word for it; ask a lawyer. Johnathan Michaels hit on the next point I would like to make and that is the distinction between patent and copyright. A method or process may be patented, but the factual written procedure of such may not be copyrighted. I'll follow up with some examples of the types are things that are not copyrightable in a final attempt to convey my point. Roses are red. Violets are blue. 2+2=4 howto change oil 1. remove oil cap 2. drain oil 3. remove filter 4. etc.