From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 6 15:54:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F0916A4DE for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 15:54:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: from web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 49F4743D49 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 15:54:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95443 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Sep 2006 15:54:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QGaUdm9+G6YAG0egu5Cq9DbIEhBGBTdg6+tg8FX4m2lU5CZbmimB8nK45a554bY/V/Bb2O2dsRoEY0UuV7XtMUuEdlOwcXUe0VrdGHrq0d/1SBob7ckVtFYtnLcROIkoY3/ZFjk5m0rxSnYSkPnMpKdczks9bzy0pM0RDGSAhJg= ; Message-ID: <20060906155419.95441.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.189.184.224] by web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 08:54:19 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 08:54:19 -0700 (PDT) From: White Hat To: FreeBSD Users Questions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Freminlins Subject: Re: solaris X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:54:21 -0000 --- Freminlins wrote: > On 06/09/06, White Hat > wrote: > > > > I have > > tried Open Office. No matter what anyone says, it > is > > just not as full featured as Word 2003. It is not > even > > close. > > > True, but also compare the cost. Not even close... Immaterial. the singularly most important feature is suitability to task. If it is free and it does not work, what good is it? > He/she does > > not want to read tons of manuals and spend hours > in a > > frustrating attempt to get it to run. > > > This is where you are completely wrong. I work for > an ISP. I'm not > responsible for tech support but I keep my "ear to > the ground". A VERY large > number of callers have problems configuring Outlook > Express, for example. No > matter what the polls say, the experience is often > very different. They may > not read the manuals (because they are no longer > supplied), they just ring a > call centre instead. Yes, the lack of documentation is a shame. Usually it can be obtained for an additonal cost which I suppose is better than nothing. The same lack of documentation plagues every facet of software today. Of course, it has been a boon for the after market book manual publishers. BTW, you have failed to document so called help line assistants who are nothing more than company mouth pieces who have at most a superficial knowledge of the product that they are suppose to be assistant a customer with. I had the experience of talking with a customer support moron who tried to sell me a new router while I attempted to explain the router was fine, but the installation CD was defective. I eventually just sent it back for a replacement. Usually these individuals are barely equipped to handle the job they are given. However, you have made my point. If a user cannot decipher how to configure a simple thing like Outlook Express, and there are programs available that will do it for them, then how are they suppose to be capable of handling a CLI OS like FreeBSD? It boggles the mind -- at least mine. Worse, the configuration of OE is handled by a wizard. It is truly sad when a user cannot configure something when it is simplified down to that level. > The average user > > does not care about configuring firewall, AV or > > Spyware, etc. Just drop in a copy of ZA with > perhaps > > Sunbelt's Counter Spy and they are on their way. > > > That's one statement contradicting the other. How? Drop in two CDs or download the programs, run them and case closed. Neither one requires any significant configuration. The defaults work just fine for most users. You could eliminate the Counter Spy since ZA has its own proprietary SpyWare program, but I just happen to prefer Counter Spy. BTW, if MS actually does market it 'One Care' program suite, that might even obsolete that entire process. I don't think they will offer it with the OS though. Too much of a chance the government will protest. Personally I believe a company should be allowed to market its product anyway it wants without government intervention; however, that is entirely another story. -- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com