From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 25 23:58:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C2E16A41B for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:58:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.246]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F74513C4A3 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:58:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 35so622289aga for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:58:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HP1AIld1n3GapTDqGfxXLLxx7YNVcQ355EtMqA/Nbh4=; b=UmjMZUEmDWBb7/b6k0he9kJf+tIxpSlitw7MGzs+imprz5QRq1FBEJ6LWN4417i3aI/cR+h0QQw7BwJ5IcA/JIAeQSgn0n26Y2vSwckSgWGh0drmowWm5aqcwGwpS1nNw8mNXWQ6q4COx70pH5gR2Mq9wJXNrxIu9IHGPRUGIPM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XCSWEDtCs1U1jspVEAXCSfoeWuxbJFJL43jDV4diIwXf7KeUQYf215yDS5O6eHr7wLDgHgyMY1O+YcbZlzzusB7SD6xl+AA+UP6nKYhSAiYqdHP7/Ymi7cMfAipF7wUgRLm4yzHHeW4zZ8tiso7KYH3aA95pYiLN8nI+UmhC//s= Received: by 10.100.201.16 with SMTP id y16mr455005anf.1193356729884; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d12sm2272750and.2007.10.25.16.58.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47212CBA.7030709@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:54:34 -0400 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071016) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Antony Mawer References: <749373.87689.qm@web45614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4721222C.2040506@mawer.org> In-Reply-To: <4721222C.2040506@mawer.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Pj Malloy , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: OEM and Trademark license for Java on FreeBSD -- Freebsd_Sun_Info@sun.com no longer valid? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:58:51 -0000 > > I too would love to know the answer to this -- the way Sun carry on, > anyone would think they don't want people using their language... I am > sure Microsoft don't make you jump through hoops if you want to write > and distribute applications written in .NET and want to distribute the > run-time along with it -- so why must Sun make it so hard for people > to do that with Java? At times if I didn't know better I would swear that sun was doing it's best to destroy it's own language (long term tax write off?)... even though I love Java and started a small software company to make developer tools for it some of the things Sun drive me *(&*&(*&( nuts... Here is the short list: 1. Complete refusal to allow for non-JVM compilation targets 2. Deprecating classes and methods for no apparent reason or explanation 3. Not making the complete implementation "open" (perhaps look but don't touch or give out) source 4. Making some really stupid security and/or low level OS access assumptions (see the series of threads recursively started by http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.java.programmer/browse_thread/thread/8e85eedca489d240/3ef23e684fe42fb0#3ef23e684fe42fb0) 5. Completely dropping the ball marketing wise -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not Business, Friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com