From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 26 13:42:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE96516A41C for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:42:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ronald-freebsd8@klop.yi.org) Received: from olive.qinip.net (olive.qinip.net [62.100.30.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6F143D48 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:42:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ronald-freebsd8@klop.yi.org) Received: from ronald.echteman.nl (h8441134153.dsl.speedlinq.nl [84.41.134.153]) by olive.qinip.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 248161982B for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:41:02 +0200 (MEST) Received: (qmail 10455 invoked from network); 26 May 2005 13:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (10.0.1.4) by ronald.echteman.nl with SMTP; 26 May 2005 13:41:02 -0000 To: Vizion , freebsd-java@freebsd.org References: <200505251746.30206.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <200505260552.19627.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:41:00 +0200 From: "Ronald Klop" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200505260552.19627.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> User-Agent: Opera M2/8.0 (FreeBSD, build 1095) Cc: Subject: Re: Java - intend to start a debate... X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:42:31 -0000 On Thu, 26 May 2005 14:52:18 +0200, Vizion wrote: > On Thursday 26 May 2005 00:22, the author Ronald Klop contributed to the > dialogue on Re: Java - intend to start a debate...: > & On Thu, 26 May 2005 02:46:29 +0200, Vizion > > & wrote: > & > & > Hi > & > Ok opinions please -- what do you consider the best development > & > environment > & > for java given: > & > 1. need to have both server side and client side running java > programs > & > 2. Using apache, Tomcat and/or Jboss > & > 3. Keeping data, presentation and processing in separate watertight > & > comparments > & > 4. Using sql (probably mysql) > & > 5. Heavy use of XML input/output based on schemas - output using CSS. > & > 6. FreeBSD 5.3 platform for staging server (probably moved to 5.4 > before > & > production time (early 2006) > & > 7. Experimenting with Java 5 as well as 1.4 > & > Arguments encouraged > & > David > & > & Isn't what you describe a development environment? > & The only thing you miss is an editor and a MVC framework like struts or > & tapestry. > & And Apache isn't very good in running java. :-) > & And early 2006 you can better upgrade to 5.5 or 6.1 I think. > & > On yr last point I hope so.. > > Well I would say that the output from the development environment > delivers > programs & procedures designed to control those tools!! > > What are your opinions of struts & tapestry? Great software. I like the concept of tapestry more than struts, but I didn't use them in detail. At my work we made our own framework, because in the time we started our product the existing ones were very small still. But our framework is property of the company. Ronald. -- Ronald Klop Amsterdam, The Netherlands