From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 26 01:56:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FF116A419 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:56:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4374713C4B2 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:56:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from epia-2.farid-hajji.net (epia-2 [192.168.254.11]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DCAE0200; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:56:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:56:09 +0200 From: cpghost To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Message-ID: <20071026035609.6c5c25e8@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> In-Reply-To: <47212CBA.7030709@gmail.com> References: <749373.87689.qm@web45614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4721222C.2040506@mawer.org> <47212CBA.7030709@gmail.com> Organization: Cordula's Web X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.1 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Antony Mawer , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, Pj Malloy Subject: Re: OEM and Trademark license for Java on FreeBSD -- Freebsd_Sun_Info@sun.com no longer valid? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:56:13 -0000 On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:54:34 -0400 "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > > I too would love to know the answer to this -- the way Sun carry on, > > anyone would think they don't want people using their language... I > > am sure Microsoft don't make you jump through hoops if you want to > > write and distribute applications written in .NET and want to > > distribute the run-time along with it -- so why must Sun make it so > > hard for people to do that with Java? > > At times if I didn't know better I would swear that sun was doing it's > best to destroy it's own language (long term tax write off?)... even > though I love Java and started a small software company to make > developer tools for it some of the things Sun drive me > *(&*&(*&( nuts... Here is the short list: Well, I gave up on Java and switched to a combination of Python and C/C++ for many reasons, most of them pertaining to Java, the language itself and its libraries. Licensing issues and all those hoops Sun made and still makes us FreeBSD users jump through were the least of my concerns, because they were essentially one-time only and though annoying, still bearable. The problem, or opportunity, is that there's so much legacy code in Java, just waiting to be ported, and though SWIG has its uses in the transition process, ultimately java2python (not jython, that's the other way around) would be great, but it's not there yet by any means... -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/