From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 14 23:04:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99823106564A; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:04:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0B58FC0A; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.15]) by ltcfislmsgpa06.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q6EN4Bul019353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:04:11 -0500 Received: from [10.0.0.101] (10.14.152.61) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.3; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:04:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" From: Devin Teske In-Reply-To: <5001F39B.4010403@cran.org.uk> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:04:13 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <50013D3B.90206@cran.org.uk> <04E88813-2416-4B60-93D3-D620DBE5A8AF@fisglobal.com> <5001D152.2050007@cran.org.uk> <5001DC03.6010705@cran.org.uk> <5001E8B2.8010803@cran.org.uk> <5001F39B.4010403@cran.org.uk> To: Bruce Cran X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.61] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-07-14_05:2012-07-13, 2012-07-14, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: Devin Teske , Ron McDowell , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [IMPORT] bsdconfig(8) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Devin Teske List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:04:16 -0000 On Jul 14, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Bruce Cran wrote: > On 14/07/2012 22:58, Devin Teske wrote: >> Did I? When one starts discussing 'Express Install', we're clearly in th= e realm of bsdinstall, not bsdconfig. >>=20 >> Like you stated, in that case bsdinstall would not use bsdconfig. >=20 > I'm getting really confused here. Either "bsdconfig password" gets run be= fore the post-install configuration menu is shown and therefore the text sa= ying to set the root password in the welcome screen is unnecessary, or it d= oesn't get run and it's possible to quit bsdconfig without setting the root= password. >=20 Ok, it's more clear to me that the concern is with the welcome screen. 1. The welcome screen _text_ was ripped straight from sysinstall except wit= h one difference=85 s/Pascal/Firefox/ (updating it for the current generati= ons). 2. Currently this text is shoved in your face but it won't always be. The t= ext will be moved to a "Help" screen. So, in a way you're absolutely right=85 you've highlighted a conundrum (the= welcome screen contains text which is not suitable for a welcome screen) b= ecause bsdinstall did something differently than sysinstall in this one cas= e (reasons below; solution above -- get rid of the welcome screen). The reason why we (Ron and I) chose to not implement the help-text in the s= ame way that sysinstall does (go to the "Configure" top-level menu and then= press F1) is that bsdconfig strives to be compatible with both dialog(1) a= nd [purported drop-in replacement] Xdialog(1) -- and the latter doesn't sup= port hooking into F1. However, it's agreed that the welcome screen is not the right way to re-imp= lement the configure.help file from sysinstall (actually rescuing _all_ of = the *.help files from the clutches of the Attic -- further internationalizi= ng them in the process too). The envisioned construct right now is to add a third button labeled "Help".= This can be done in both dialog(1) and Xdialog(1) (see "bsdconfig startup_= rcconf" and the "Details" button -- except instead of dangling a menu off o= f it, it will produce a box with the desired help-text. Of course, making this scalable and usable is a challenge so we haven't yet= migrated away from the welcome screen before the import to HEAD. It will be dealt with before MFC and also before WITH_BSDCONFIG becomes WIT= HOUT_BSDCONFIG. --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware= that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and revie= w by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you.