From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 7 7:46:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E9437B401; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clunix.cl.msu.edu (clunix.cl.msu.edu [35.9.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B3443E72; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:46:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@clunix.cl.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by clunix.cl.msu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g77Ekgw08922; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:46:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Jerry McAllister Message-Id: <200208071446.g77Ekgw08922@clunix.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Is simplicity despised? WAS: What do we need in a FreeBSD desktop? To: bastill@sa.apana.org.au Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Cc: grog@FreeBSD.ORG (Greg 'groggy' Lehey), questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200208070144.g771idL39151@tierzero.apana.org.au> from "Brian Astill" at Aug 07, 2002 11:13:44 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:10, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > > If there's one thing that you need to learn early on, it's a good > > editor. I did install le just to see what it was like. I think the > > average user would find it harder to use than Emacs. > > You miss the point totally. Emacs in this context is a furfy. > The point is that a standard FreeBSD install includes EDITOR=vi in its > environment. > My strong feeling is that if a person wants vi but has something simpler as > the initial default, they are probably from a background which will enable > them to change the environment very quickly. OTOH, a person who is totally > mystified by vi might well also not have the knowledge to change that default. Do not, I repeat DO NOT change the default editor from vi. Go ahead and make it really really easy for someone to choose another one - it is already quite easy. But changing the default editor is a bad bad idea. It works well under every environment - even some you newbies can't imagine exist. ////jerry > I am glad you have now looked at le. By all means change the default to > nedit le or any other simpler more intuitive editor of your choice; but do > not leave it as vi. IMHO emacs would be overkill, but YMMV. > > > -- > Regards, > Brian > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message