From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 3 16:42:20 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CC037B401 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:42:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F2043F79 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:42:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A53151971; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:12:14 +1030 (CST) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:12:14 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Benjamin Krueger Cc: Stephen Hilton , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object Message-ID: <20030204004214.GJ70413@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030203151321.02832330@localhost> <20030203165428.78db73f6.nospam@hiltonbsd.com> <20030203233422.GH27674@surreal.seattlefenix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030203233422.GH27674@surreal.seattlefenix.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, 3 February 2003 at 15:34:22 -0800, Benjamin Krueger wrote: > * Stephen Hilton (nospam@hiltonbsd.com) [030203 14:50]: >> Does joining the project involve signing a full-disclosure >> contract regarding all issues public and private? >> >> Think about this people... >> >> Would you join knowing that your "Permanent Record" was >> to be displayed at the whim of a "public" request. >> >> How have we gotten to this point where "stirring the pot" >> and sensationalist muck-raking is a common "sport". >> >> Are we looking for a "McCarthy" list of other names and >> details about this situation, to broaden the scope of >> the "investigation". >> >> Retain the right of a person to speak for themselves, >> or remain silent if that is their wish. >> >> Regards, >> >> Stephen Hilton >> nospam@hiltonbsd.com > > I have held the notion, from the very first day of my experience > with FreeBSD, that the Project belonged to everyone involved. > Core, Committers, Developers, Testers, and Users alike. "All project members are equal, only some are more equal than others". Seriously, we need a hierarchy. You can't expect casual users to have as much say in the project as the people who live and sleep FreeBSD 24 hours a day. > Many people are now objecting to the removal of a valuable > contributor to the project. People who quietly participate in > the background, without fuss. Their concern is not sport or > muck-raking, but genuine concern for the well being of the > project. To simply ask them to be quiet and trust that Core, > like a wise parent, will know what's best is degrading at best, > and an insult to them. Core was elected to know what's best. To suggest that people who elected core didn't know what they were doing is insulting. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message