From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 13:00:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF1210656B9 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:00:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30C28FC1C for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 65A405C24 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:12:34 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:56:45 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 13:00:31 -0000 On 01/01/12 21:42, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 09:03:38 +1000 > Da Rock articulated: > >> Mac doesn't support all hardware from what I understand, and the only >> system with 100% hardware support is Winblows. Given the design >> philosophy of Winblows, how well written do you think the hardware >> drivers are coded? For that matter, how well do you think the >> hardware is made? From my meanderings on this list and others a lot >> of hardware needs software compensation for it to work as well as it >> does on FreeBSD and even linux. > I am sure that you will be happy to supply verifiable documentation to > support your claims. If you want to verify, then by all means parouse this list and others (even in the linux community) over the past _five_ (thats 5) years. > As for the the quality of the "hardware", that would be solely dependent > on the devices manufacturer. The drivers are obviously coded in a > fashion that allows the device to operate in its environment. Any > further discussion is impossible without defining some specific > parameters. A lot of hardware is now run using firmware, which may or may not contain a bug or two which may work better in M$ behemoth but will usually die a lot faster, and reduce its usable life- not to mention speed. A lot of updates include "fixes" for these, which may or may not solve the problems. > The basic problem is that open-sore users are by and large suffering > from a "sour grapes" philosophy. It is a common "school yard" > phenomena; however, it is usually outgrown at some time in an > individuals lifetime. However, unfortunately, that is not written in > concrete either. > > "Tempora mutantur", however with the exception of Ubuntu the rest of > the open-sore community, to various degrees, continue to stagnate. I'm sorry but I'm really pissed off tonight and you're attitude is really rubbing me the wrong way. If you want to be best mates with Gates and his horde then by all means... but this is a genuine discussion in an attempt to resolve _these_ issues, and clarify points as to why things are a certain way. If you don't agree, then be silent and ignore what you perceive to be crap, or at the very least _try_ not to be so aggressive and offensive. A lot of us on this list do this as common courtesy.