From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 25 22:12:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE754F3; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:12:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9151F8FC12; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q9PMClKZ009793; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:12:47 GMT (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from bapt@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q9PMCkUX009792; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:12:46 GMT (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: bapt set sender to bapt@FreeBSD.org using -f Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 00:12:44 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: Chris Rees Subject: Re: [CFT/RFC]: refactor bsd.prog.mk to understand multiple programs instead of a singular program Message-ID: <20121025221244.GG3808@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> References: <201210020750.23358.jhb@freebsd.org> <201210021037.27762.jhb@freebsd.org> <127FA63D-8EEE-4616-AE1E-C39469DDCC6A@xcllnt.net> <20121025211522.GA32636@dragon.NUXI.org> <3F52B7C9-A7B7-4E0E-87D0-1E67FE5D0BA7@xcllnt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="c7hkjup166d4FzgN" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Garrett Cooper , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, Marcel Moolenaar , "Simon J. Gerraty" , freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:12:47 -0000 --c7hkjup166d4FzgN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:01:27PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > On 25 October 2012 22:32, Garrett Cooper wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Marcel Moolenaar w= rote: > > > > ... > > > >> I think there are 2 reasons why not to: > >> > >> 1. The people working on ATF have not raised this concern and > >> have expressed that using the WITH_BMAKE knob is but a small > >> price to pay. So let's work the bmake side and be able to > >> get rid of the knob as soon as possible. > > > > It is annoying with the magnitude of build-related errors, but I have > > a workaround. > > > >> 2. More knobs isn't better -- we must have none of the knobs in > >> the end, so the more we create, the more work we have to get > >> rid of them. That's just more work spent not focusing on the > >> task at hand and thus more time wasted. > > > > Yes, but not being able to update one's machine makes me sad panda. > > > >> In short: this isn't a 2-knob problem by any stretch of the > >> imagination. > > > > The real issue is that I need to take the patch Simon developed, run > > with it, and in parallel he needs to -- and hopefully already is -- > > engage portmgr to get it through a number of exp- runs to make sure > > bmake does what it's supposed to do with his patch. Backwards > > compatibility will need to be maintained for ports because ports has > > to work on multiple versions of FreeBSD [where bmake isn't yet > > available/present], so maybe a fork in the road for bsd.port.mk should > > be devised in order to make everything work. >=20 > Now you've terrified me, and probably most other ports people too. >=20 > Is there a Wiki page where the actual benefits of moving to bmake are > made clear? This is a major, *major* upheaval, and having two > versions of bsd.port.mk for years is simply not an option. >=20 Not much test has been done on the ports tree about it, from what I have te= sted so far, except from the :tu :tl difference the ports seems to work ootb with both bmake and make, I asked obrien to MFC the support for :tl :tu in make(= 1) to all available platform which he did. Do be able to get the ports tree working with bmake asap, I also asked him = to MFC it to 9.1, from latest reply he got positive answer from re@ about this= , but was waiting for something I don't remember. regards, Bapt --c7hkjup166d4FzgN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlCJuVwACgkQ8kTtMUmk6Ez5MACgtT94YHosRKnm/ooojZVnDR0o egcAn0D+MzR3JshGijfnC244TDP0Ay1s =19Jx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --c7hkjup166d4FzgN--