From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 27 3: 9:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B94737B400 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:09:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0039.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.39] helo=mindspring.com) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16UnBn-0000oV-00; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:09:36 -0800 Message-ID: <3C53DFEB.C9F6E25A@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:09:31 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why dual boot? References: <3C4FBE5C.2AE8C65@mindspring.com> <20020123114658.A514@lpt.ens.fr> <20020123223104.SM01952@there> <3C4FBE5C.2AE8C65@mindspring.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020124213809.00e6e5d0@localhost> <20020125131659.GB7374@hades.hell.gr> <3C51CD33.4E69B204@mindspring.com> <001b01c1a635$636a4170$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C5270E4.BF21F79B@mindspring.com> <011b01c1a659$fb98a670$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C52AB34.B8896C8D@mindspring.com> <018c01c1a675$f3dcc1c0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C534259.A20067B2@mindspring.com> <02ba01c1a6ec$62983740$0a00000a@atkielski.com> òÿÿÿ <3C539BC5.C1543E5D@mindspring.com> <038b01c1a70e$fcb0f200$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Terry writes: > > Oh, you mean anecdotally ... > > No, I mean empirically, as I have previously explained and explicitly > stated. > > > ... as in based on or consisting of > > reports or observations of usually > > unscientific observers. > > I already have the dictionary from which you lifted this definition, so you > need not repeat it here. That's the definition of "anecdotally". It's repeated here for people who, unlike you, don't own Merriam Webster's dictionary, and have been taken in by your attempt to redefine the word "empirically". If you honestly mean "empirically", then you won't mind giving everyone sufficient information so as to be able to duplicate your observations. > > Unless you have some empirical evidence you > > wish to present? > > My own experience supports my assertions. Not empirically, it doesn't, unless you will provide sufficient information for anyone who wants to be able to duplicate those observations independently. > > As in capable of being verified or disproved > > by observation or experiment? > > No. Not all empirical evidence is verifiable. Wrong. Empirical: capable of being verified or disproved by observation or experiment. All empirical evidence is, by definition, verifiable. > > Guess that's "no". > > No, I'm trying to point out that what you intend by "backing up" is unclear > in this context. Your insistence upon it induced me to explicitly define > empirical. Incorrectly, I might add. > > Your claimed ability to install a production > > system using the CDROM installer says noting > > about where the majority of FreeBSD production > > system come from. > > Neither do any of your posts to this list. Please contact: Coyote Point Systems Array Networks (formerly ClickArray) IBM (via Whistle acquisition) iMimic Tera Intel (inBusiness division) and ask them if they install their production servers based on FreeBSD using the FreeBSD CDROM. > I don't think that the feasibility of installing a production server from a > CD-ROM is really in doubt. I'm surprised that anyone would question it. I never said it wasn't feasable for mom-and-pop, small potatoes operations. I have pointed out (now that you have changed from "the FreeBSD CDROM distribution", which is what we were all talking about to "a CDROM") that the FreeBSD CDROM build process itself does not lend itself to doing this, without patches (patches I posted between March and October of 2001 to the FreeBSD lists, if your memory goes back that far). > > I can personally vouch for over 20,000 of > > them that came from disk duplication, rather > > than CDROM installs. > > In other words, you are supporting your assertions with your own experience? > Hmm. Feel free to verify my assertions by contacting the companies noted above, all of whom ship FreeBSD based products, the "golden master" for which *sure as hell* is not the CDROM new users can download off the net. K PLZ? THX. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message