From owner-freebsd-geom@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 27 13:37:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-geom@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-geom@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A162716A412 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:37:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1112343D6A for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:37:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (hmdazw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8RDb7UO017772; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:37:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k8RDb7wN017771; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:37:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:37:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200609271337.k8RDb7wN017771@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-geom@FreeBSD.ORG, rick-freebsd@kiwi-computer.com In-Reply-To: <20060922133900.GA31626@megan.kiwi-computer.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-geom User-Agent: tin/1.8.0-20051224 ("Ronay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-STABLE (i386)) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:37:13 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: geom - help ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-geom@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-geom@FreeBSD.ORG, rick-freebsd@kiwi-computer.com List-Id: GEOM-specific discussions and implementations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:37:20 -0000 Rick C. Petty wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > Rick C. Petty wrote: > > > Is everybody forgetting about gvinum? > > > > I _try_ to forget it. :-) > > Exactly the type of attitude I predicted. So let's force everybody who > has terabytes in vinum-managed containers to migrate! That's _not_ what I wrote. Nowhere in my email did I mention anything about forcing something on everybody. I did _not_ write that vinum/gvinum support should be dropped from FreeBSD In fact I'm all for keeping and even improving it, so people have a choice. Having a choice is a good thing, as long as the code is maintained and doesn't suffer from bitrot. If anything is up for removal, I'd vote for removing CCD. Of course you're free to disagree with what I wrote, but you should read what I wrote before placing any verbal attacks that are not justified. > I wouldn't say it's at all better, although it was easier to setup just a > mirror. Vinum is a volume manager, so I expect it to be more complex than > just setting up a mirror. The various GEOM classes (mirror, stripe, raid3 etc.) don't work like vinum or other conventional volume managers, but still they serve the same purpose. Just like ZFS, which also works in a completely different way, but it is also designed to replace conventional volume managers (Solstice comes to mind, which wasn't exactly easy to manage either). The main advantage of GEOM is its flexibility. You can put its classes together like Lego bricks, with few commands that are consistent, easy to remember and well documented (and also easily scriptable). The more and larger volumes you have, the easier it gets. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing Dienstleistungen mit Schwerpunkt FreeBSD: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. With Perl you can manipulate text, interact with programs, talk over networks, drive Web pages, perform arbitrary precision arithmetic, and write programs that look like Snoopy swearing.