From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jul 28 17:31: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n65.san.rr.com (dt011n65.san.rr.com [204.210.13.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829D914EEF for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:30:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by dt011n65.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15319; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug X-Sender: doug@dt011n65.san.rr.com To: Terry Lambert Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What to tell to Linux-centric people?! In-Reply-To: <199907282316.QAA18018@usr06.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [snipped] On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Terry Lambert wrote: > And I tried rerunning the shell script under all the other > shells on the box, but it failed for lack of bash "extensions". > > My conclusion? > > "Standard plus extensions" is the same thing as "non-standard". > > I guess whoever wrote bash never had to deal with NDS being > "Standard X.500 plus Novell extensions" or the Novell print > model being "Palladium plus Novell extensions". > > Morons who add extensions, and then turn them on by default, > are the bane of interoperability everywhere. Aren't we mixing apples and cumquats here? You can't blame the shell itself if some twit writes a script that's supposed to be portable using non-portable scripting conventions, can you? I'm one of the biggest Bash advocates I know, but whenever I write sh scripts I am very careful to use only standard sh bits. In fact, Bash is probably the most POSIX compliant shell going, especially when invoked as sh. At the same time, I share your frustration with the "web of dependencies" that seems to envelop anything that goes near a GNU product. Bash is better than most, but obviously my preference would be that it was less GNU (and/or GPL, yes, I realize they aren't totally the same thing), but that's how the sky falls sometimes. Doug -- On account of being a democracy and run by the people, we are the only nation in the world that has to keep a government four years, no matter what it does. -- Will Rogers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message