From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 22 16:12:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E371065672 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:12:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from skeptikos@gmail.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7656F8FC17 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:12:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from skeptikos@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so868257ele.8 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:12:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8UHxRVoJaMZ63uWgTVG/Wpn7ZyC3nIJGv/3awJfhqqE=; b=uEsBebpYXZpVW/+aTKE43ch4MOxnWkldga/nLVUELvNndWF4vipJQRTojpdRj5FtA+7D33mzpEgSle706WtJWBmu+jrQIxTLYXdLPO7H8Edr2Q+Zfv8FZyewy1tIhPYRjeYdceoSNTKEOylY0xZ6vQyFyfZIEtMi+6Xe0CxBTRQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uS1uivqhXdstK3jMigc2cV0un+fg1y+N+I+6OU2+M8yTFl3xG3RxNpqUuukqhfweDEDhbdlS/5OWFg8q68VYfGmBXgMESLhbDIjlvCuPjX33ldzFQ5qgaeZ52qHfk77bvUeod0/va9COlluTl557mpzgho5Z8K9Bkwmhh14clhA= Received: by 10.141.79.12 with SMTP id g12mr268218rvl.87.1208880756040; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ( [70.162.19.132]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f21sm8181796rvb.0.2008.04.22.09.12.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:12:45 -0700 From: christopher To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20080422091245.818e3e86.skeptikos@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <480DFDEE.5020303@brianwhalen.net> References: <20080420211717.be366660.skeptikos@gmail.com> <480C1E3F.2020300@highperformance.net> <480DFDEE.5020303@brianwhalen.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: port management practices X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:12:37 -0000 On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:02:06 -0700 Brian wrote: > Jason C. Wells wrote: > > I don't. > > > > It's too much work. I don't update ports for the duration of a > I suppose this is relative to the number of ports installed, but it > really isnt that difficult under normal circumstances. If you have one > that needs to be treated differently, then ask why does it indeed to be > treated differently and is it worth it. Over the last few years, I have > had very few problems where portsnap followed by portupgrade didn't > work. The dependency problems are the toughest, the last one of those > I had I fixed with portmanager. For me, a goal worth pursuing is to > make it easier, so you don't need to be a longterm user to figure out > how to easily update system and/or ports, it should be a little easier > AND apparent; even Microsoft and Redhat tell you when there are updates > to be applied. I've kind of taken to the same practice as Jason by sticking with things once my system is up and running. It worked for me very well and it kept me with 5.4 for quite a long time. When I did do upgrades, I actually reinstalled them all by doing pkg_delete -a. I checked out the ports TODO, and there were some interesting things there, but nothing topical for my original query. I finally upgraded to 7.0, and that's when I ran into just the one issue with openoffice, actually cups is still giving me some issues, but that's not as vital. I use my system as a desktop, so there is gimp, openoffice, kde (for when my gf needs to use my computer), inkscape and a bunch of multimedia stuff. Some people say that FreeBSD isn't good, nor intended to be run as a desktop, but I am actually quite happy with it ~ Chris -- christopher