From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 21 13: 1:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7510D37B418 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FBC0BCDC; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02899; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:01:46 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fALKxkT74862; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:59:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: Subject: Re: home pc use References: <00a601c17202$0f9af880$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <200111202228.47120@starbreaker.net> <005701c17289$446b6720$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 21 Nov 2001 12:59:45 -0800 In-Reply-To: <005701c17289$446b6720$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Message-ID: Lines: 45 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Anthony Atkielski" writes: > What's bare about a console? It doesn't have lots of useful stuff on it. It doesn't have the right one inch of the screen showing info on CPU, memory, or other info that can be displayed. It doesn't have a column of buttons in that one inch which show me most of my running applications and allow me to switch between them. It doesn't have a little map in that one inch which allows me to notice instantly which of several "desktops" I'm currently using and to switch between them. It doesn't allow me to pop up menus of operations from three mouse buttons used on various sections of the screen. (Well a console with enabled mouse can do some of that.) It doesn't allow me to have a stack of large bare-console-sized X application windows among which I can switch quickly. It doesn't allow me to run XEmacs or a good web browser. X with the fvwm 2.x window manager (or others) aren't so bare. Anthony, you are REALLY going to kick yourself when you learn to compromise in your Windows vs. Unix mentality and stop restricting yourself to ONLY a command line in FreeBSD. CLI is better than GUI for very many things (like almost anything you do very often - even navigating between windows which I do more often than not (well, not CLI, but keys)), but GUI is better for others (like when using menus for unmemorized commands). Give X a much more serious try out than you have. Don't use GNOME or KDE to start with, since they have so much to learn about and give you things to gripe about. I've only used fvwm (fvwm2) since using KDE and trying several WM a year or two ago. I think many are slicker than fvwm, and a few are simpler but I think it has a good balance of features and fairly decent documentation. You normally do all configuration in one file. You start with an example or someone else's and it's easy enough to learn how to modify. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message