From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 13:23:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@www.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@www.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ABA216A41F; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:23:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C2E43D48; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:23:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7MDNF8C018778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id j7MDN7x6031005; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:23:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17161.53691.614602.758290@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:23:07 -0400 (EDT) To: pav@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <1124715244.75167.40.camel@pav.hide.vol.cz> References: <17161.51084.456346.976929@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <1124715244.75167.40.camel@pav.hide.vol.cz> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Cc: freebsd-current@www.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Beta2: Nice job! X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:23:16 -0000 pav@FreeBSD.org writes: Andrew Gallatin p=ED=B9e v po 22. 08. 2005 v 08:39 -0400: > > > - X.org is a major downgrade from XFree86 3.x in terms of fonts. > > linux-mozilla, linux-firefox, etc, all look terrible & blurry > > compared to XFree86-3.x or Windows. > > =20 > > I've installed the bitstream-vera fonts, and messed with > > ~/.fonts.conf for hours turning on/off anti-aliasing, subpixel > > rendering, hinting, autohinting, etc. I know I'm having an effect, > > because each change manages to make things worse. This is a > > 75x75dpi 1024x768 LCD screen driven by a NeoMagic video chip. > >=20 > > I've got the same problem with fonts on my desktop (1600x1200 LCD > > panel), but I'd always assumed that it was something about this > > particular LCD. > > Forget these linux-* relics from times when Netscape only came as binary > kludgepackage. It is much easier to keep linux binaries to date with security releases because you don't have to worry about some obscure libfoo dependancy changing. Plus java and flash plugins, while native alternatives exist, are much, much easier to deal with as linux binaries. > Try native mozilla/firefox, you will be pleasantly surprised with the > slicky smoothness of fonts delivered by freetype and libXft. I'm sorry, I should have mentioned: Native versins of firefox and other gnomish things (thunderbird) look just as blurry. Xfce menus and title bars look bad, etc. The only fonts which look decent are the 15-year old X11 fonts that xterm and xemacs use. Drew