From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 13:26:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@www.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@www.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09AF16A41F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:26:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from mh2.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CBA43D45 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:26:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from [10.177.171.220] (neutrino.centtech.com [10.177.171.220]) by mh2.centtech.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MDQQQk013353; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:26:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <4309D293.8030104@centtech.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:26:43 -0500 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050815 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Gallatin References: <17161.51084.456346.976929@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <1124715244.75167.40.camel@pav.hide.vol.cz> <17161.53691.614602.758290@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> In-Reply-To: <17161.53691.614602.758290@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current@www.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Beta2: Nice job! X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:26:35 -0000 Andrew Gallatin wrote: > pav@FreeBSD.org writes: > > Andrew Gallatin p=ED=B9e v po 22. 08. 2005 v 08:39 -0400: > >>>- X.org is a major downgrade from XFree86 3.x in terms of fonts. >>> linux-mozilla, linux-firefox, etc, all look terrible & blurry >>> compared to XFree86-3.x or Windows. >>> =20 >>> I've installed the bitstream-vera fonts, and messed with >>> ~/.fonts.conf for hours turning on/off anti-aliasing, subpixel >>> rendering, hinting, autohinting, etc. I know I'm having an effect, >>> because each change manages to make things worse. This is a >>> 75x75dpi 1024x768 LCD screen driven by a NeoMagic video chip. >>>=20 >>> I've got the same problem with fonts on my desktop (1600x1200 LCD >>> panel), but I'd always assumed that it was something about this >>> particular LCD. >> >>Forget these linux-* relics from times when Netscape only came as binary >>kludgepackage. > > > It is much easier to keep linux binaries to date with security > releases because you don't have to worry about some obscure libfoo > dependancy changing. Plus java and flash plugins, while native > alternatives exist, are much, much easier to deal with as linux > binaries. > > >>Try native mozilla/firefox, you will be pleasantly surprised with the >>slicky smoothness of fonts delivered by freetype and libXft. > > > I'm sorry, I should have mentioned: Native versins of firefox and > other gnomish things (thunderbird) look just as blurry. Xfce menus > and title bars look bad, etc. The only fonts which look decent > are the 15-year old X11 fonts that xterm and xemacs use. Just to check the obvious, but, you are certain you are running at the native resolution of the LCD panel, correct? Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Anything that works is better than anything that doesn't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------