From owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 4 15:40:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 824894E9; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 15:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from h2.funkthat.com (gate2.funkthat.com [208.87.223.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "funkthat.com", Issuer "funkthat.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40FF525AC; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 15:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from h2.funkthat.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by h2.funkthat.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id s64FdwVH010290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:39:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@h2.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by h2.funkthat.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id s64FdvMQ010289; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:39:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:39:57 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Jonathan Anderson Subject: Re: RFC: Proposal: Install a /etc/ssl/cert.pem by default? Message-ID: <20140704153957.GA45513@funkthat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Jonathan Anderson , Dan Lukes , d@delphij.net, freebsd-security@freebsd.org, gecko@freebsd.org References: <53B499B1.4090003@delphij.net> <53B4A337.3010907@obluda.cz> <53B4BFD2.2060903@obluda.cz> <53B499B1.4090003@delphij.net> <53B4A337.3010907@obluda.cz> <20140704024451.GU45513@funkthat.com> <53B69E65.7020507@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <53B69E65.7020507@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 54BA 873B 6515 3F10 9E88 9322 9CB1 8F74 6D3F A396 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html X-TipJar: bitcoin:13Qmb6AeTgQecazTWph4XasEsP7nGRbAPE X-to-the-FBI-CIA-and-NSA: HI! HOW YA DOIN? can i haz chizburger? X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (h2.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 04 Jul 2014 08:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Dan Lukes , freebsd-security@freebsd.org, d@delphij.net, gecko@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 15:40:23 -0000 Jonathan Anderson wrote this message on Fri, Jul 04, 2014 at 10:00 -0230: > John-Mark Gurney wrote: > >Dan Lukes wrote this message on Thu, Jul 03, 2014 at 02:26 +0200: > >>If I consider a CA to be trustworthy, I will insert it's certificate to > >>trusted store. No one is welcomed to make such decision in behalf of me. > > > >As others have said, you can customize FreeBSD how you want.. There > >is no, we will uninstall FreeBSD if you uninstall (or set WITHOUT_xxx) > >on your FreeBSD system... > > > So we agree that customization is required, the question is what a user > has to do to effect this customization: > > 1. install a package (possibly included on the install media), or > 2. set WITHOUT_MOZILLA_CA_BUNDLE and rebuild FreeBSD. 3. rm /etc/ssl/cert.ca > To me, the approach that doesn't require "rebuild FreeBSD" is the > simpler one. > > It also doesn't require a Security Advisory every time a CA gets dropped > from Mozilla's bundle (which ought to happen a lot). Ports get updated, > people get that. I don't think we should introduce things in the base > system that we *know* will require SAs, freebsd-update, etc. But don't we want people to get in the habit of patching/addressing security issues? As far as this one is to address, it's easy... manually fetch and install this file... A lot easier than most SA's to address by hand if you're not using freebsd-update.. -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."