From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 12 11:23:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA12139 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mpeks.tomsk.su (mpeks.tomsk.su [193.124.182.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA12077 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mpeks.tomsk.su (8.6.11/8.6.9) with UUCP id CAA27192; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 02:18:17 +0800 Received: (from vas@localhost) by vas.tomsk.su (8.8.5/8.8.3) id WAA10579; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:07:42 +0800 (TSD) From: "Victor A. Sudakov" Message-Id: <199706121407.WAA10579@vas.tomsk.su> Subject: Re: Internet providers discouraging customers from unix To: yura@binary.net (Yura Socolov) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:07:41 +0800 (TSD) Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199706110255.VAA02934@matrix.binary.net> from "Yura Socolov" at "Jun 10, 97 09:55:49 pm" Organization: Tomsk Region Education Department X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yura Socolov wrote: > > In your case, if I were in your shoes, if such a neophyte as you have > > described above, calls you and asks "how to exploit something cool", I > > would advise him/her some good books on Unix and man pages ;-))) > > > That would be fine, given those people actually wanted to learn, or actually > could comprehend, for that matter. But unfortunately, that is not so in > many cases, and certainly not in the cases of 'how do i hack something leet'. That depends. Sometimes I have to answer very silly questions about unix, but I do answer them. Anyway, my point was a bit different. Let's imagine for a minute, that Microsoft introduces a minor change into the PPP authentication in the next version of its Windows NT. ISPs runnning NT will not even notice it perhaps. But all unix customers will be automatically pissed off and forced to install Windows 95 or NT. Is this what we all want? Do not tell me that it is impossible. We have the example with windows encoding spreading like plague over the Russian web. The next step is that I am beginning to see messages in windows encoding in newsgroups. > > I don't mind, and actually like to teach people whatever i can. But why > waste your time on the '1337 dudez'? Let them die with NT and destroy > something there. And destroy the Internet too. -- Victor Sudakov http://www.tomsk.su/r/persons/vas.htm