From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 24 18: 6: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from yana.lemis.com (yana.lemis.com [192.109.197.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B5115937; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:05:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: from mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (j24.klt32.jaring.my [161.142.169.158]) by yana.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13949; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:34:14 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03504; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:35:09 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from grog) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:35:09 +0800 From: Greg Lehey To: "William A. Maniatty" Cc: chuckr@picnic.mat.net, FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, asmodai@wxs.nl, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, maniattb@cs.rpi.edu, msmith@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Learning the FreeBSD Kernel Message-ID: <20000124173509.O2643@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <200001240744.CAA02021@richard.cs.albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200001240744.CAA02021@richard.cs.albany.edu>; from maniatty@cs.albany.edu on Mon, Jan 24, 2000 at 02:44:43AM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 24 January 2000 at 2:44:43 -0500, William A. Maniatty wrote: > Hi There: > > Chuck Robey Writes: >> I know where Mike's coming from. Wait until the next guy posts on the >> list "I don't really know how to program, but please tell what 'C' is, and >> how to write a device driver". We had a pretty nasty flamewar over that >> maybe (I think) 9 months ago, and it still hurts folks, to be accused of >> conceit, when the guy was asking a grossly unanswerable question, and >> wouldn't believe it couldn't be boiled down to a 4 paragraph "device >> drivers for dummies" thing. Mike wants to avoid dealing with a horde of >> folks like that. >> >> I can't really blame Mike, it's impossible to make people understand that >> you can't boil everything down to a 30 second sound bite. BUT I still >> wish there was a map to interfaces. > > Ah! I wasn't aware of this. I would be somewhat thin skinned too, > too many requests for a free lunch can be a problem. On the other hand > I still think: (i) I'd still like my student to take a crack at it, > since he would pick up some understanding of kernel programming by doing it > (a good thing!) (ii) the project might help motivated (and good) people > pick up FreeBSD kernel programming and (iii) people can be pointed to > the manual and told to return if they have a specific question. These were pretty much exactly the reasons I thought of. I was thinking (iii) might be getting your guy to do the documentation :-) Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message