From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 2 16:12:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25440 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:12:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.72.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25416 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:11:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu) Received: (from dannyman@localhost) by arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id SAA19579; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:11:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980302181137.44607@urh.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:11:37 -0600 From: dannyman To: Nate Williams , Mike Smith Cc: Amancio Hasty , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-RELEASE? References: <199803022318.PAA13189@rah.star-gate.com> <199803022325.PAA14115@dingo.cdrom.com> <199803022341.QAA24319@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199803022341.QAA24319@mt.sri.com>; from Nate Williams on Mon, Mar 02, 1998 at 04:41:24PM -0700 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Mar 02, 1998 at 04:41:24PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > > Hah. You forget that nobody outside the Bay area has the mbone > > anymore, if they ever had it in the first place. > > No kidding. Our ISP played with it for awhile (for watching NaNOG > meetings), and gave it up. They're now sending people to the meetings, > since it was much cheaper and useful than using the Mbone, which is > useless given the current 'lag' and 'loss' on the net as a whole. > > PHK's 40% packet loss to CA with normal traffic would make the MBONE > more than useless. It would simply waste bandwidth with no gain. > > That's why people who want the MBONE for research and such want their > own private Internet back again, and are asking for grants and such to > give them their own toy back. Yah, the mbone works a whole lot better over the vBNS. :) -- //Dan -=- This message brought to you by djhoward@uiuc.edu -=- \\/yori -=- Information - http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ -=- aiokomete -=- Our Honored Symbol deserves an Honorable Retirement To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message