From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 16:38:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB23E16A4CE; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:38:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60B743D48; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:38:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CaGRh-0008Pj-Lu; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 16:38:13 +0000 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:38:13 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Marc Fonvieille Message-ID: <20041203163813.GY513@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Marc Fonvieille , Tom Rhodes , Nik Clayton , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Murray Stokely , "Simon L. Nielsen" References: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041129060320.GA26868@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20041129185546.GA74655@freebsdmall.com> <20041202204413.GN753@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041202205407.GD78684@abigail.blackend.org> <20041202160526.7ea90d78@localhost> <20041202211932.GF78684@abigail.blackend.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="J+eNKFoVC4T1DV3f" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041202211932.GF78684@abigail.blackend.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: Tom Rhodes cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Nik Clayton cc: "Simon L. Nielsen" cc: Murray Stokely Subject: Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 16:38:16 -0000 --J+eNKFoVC4T1DV3f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 10:19:32PM +0100, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 04:05:26PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > >=20 > > > > OBJDIR was broken way before mirrors.xml. Also, I'm not really > > > > talking about starting on a clean slate. Of course parts of the the > > > > current buildsystem is just fine, but others are just a mess. > > > > > > >=20 > > > I can confirm that, since I'm guilty of this OBJDIR issue. It's not > > > possible to "easily" fix it without changing a lot of things, so it's > > > better to start a rewrite from zero. > >=20 > > Which is a lot of work, I think everyone agrees on that. But > > we can do it. There is a handful of smart and well meaning > > committers here who I feel, if given more time and pointed in > > a direction of "what we should do" will come through perfectly. > >=20 > > Right now all we have been doing is bouncing around doing > > whatever. There is just no real sense of direction. > > >=20 > Some of us and I gave in past some requirements and some ways to fix it, > it should be available in the archives. > I spent some times trying to fix it in a clean way, I gave up cause of > lack of time. The change I did to the build allowed localized PDF > version of docs to use en_US and localized images, before this change it > was impossible to do that and to have images, so I had 2 choices: >=20 > - backing out the change and users of OBJDIR would be happy and waiting > for someone to take care of the localized PDF issue in a better way > (this could take months or years) > - keeping the change and offering to a lot of non-english readers the > chance to be able to read/use/download a localised PDF version of the > translated Handbooks >=20 > You know my choice. If people really want to back out my change, let's > do it, but I still think the most important "thing" is the fact we can > offer the doc to people that do not read english. I agree; please don't back this out. OBJDIR is nice, but living without it is not as bad as living without documentation. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --J+eNKFoVC4T1DV3f Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBsJZ1ocfcwTS3JF8RAvuAAKC+iAQt81JdElgnEd8ptcVaDQy9GACeJ2fC khc6oI/HwNYZcUIs8cJj/Gc= =Ijpu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --J+eNKFoVC4T1DV3f--