From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 20:11:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5442D106566B for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:11:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delphij@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1958FC17 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywo32 with SMTP id 32so2457522ywo.13 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:11:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+lri86YdNY4YLj/NhAgMW5U6uxJjzrhdvB+SyX967t4=; b=Jt80yJ6VXiubvIfeQjXk9+PFg8nYC431SuJ5v1TOhh2gmETKPdkUCFR2imznGUy7oK XW4/GQwYY+mY3tfq6hKaKabX8k7VPeIGu5JyCw6AWuBtrN1RXPyYqGB+p4to5R6XzwAM 9qzMttEILcuwZ/3pQKma3x7sJEbZEpEdLxPbI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.115.7 with SMTP id n7mr1347412ybc.221.1314296443411; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.136.11 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:20:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1313785806.56747.YahooMailClassic@web113503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <175270279.98941.1313793515391.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:20:42 -0700 Message-ID: From: Xin LI To: vadim_nuclight@mail.ru Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD problems and preliminary ways to solve X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:11:53 -0000 Hi, Vadim, On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Vadim Goncharov wrote: > Hi Rick Macklem! > > On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:38:35 -0400 (EDT); Rick Macklem wrote about 'Re: FreeBSD problems and preliminary ways to solve': > >> One thing I thought I'd bring up (since I haven't seen it >> mentioned yet) is Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. I haven't tried it, >> so I'm talking through my hat a bunch, but... > >> It seems to me that FreeBSD should do what it can to support >> this effort. Why? Well, I suspect a lot of why organizations > > No. FreeBSD has limited resources. We need to: > > a) fix our own problems > b) develop our own unique features (see my message to Robert Watson) > > And supporting Debian will mean wasting resources which could be spent > to these. This will effectively kill FreeBSD as a separate entity if > our problems will stay unfixed and get worse due to this. > > Leave this work to Debian: they already have a wide community and many > resources. Any Linux distro has more resources than BSD because they just > only pack someone's software, and we have to also actually *develop* those > software (most of all, kernel and libc). I consider Debian GNU/kFreeBSD as a platform where we can see what the actual {performance,functionality} difference between our code and GNU ones, which is valuable. Supporting their effort might be time consuming and maybe not our priority, but it's good not to make their work harder because more importantly, their existence gives us more exposure and more eyes on our codebase as well. Cheers, -- Xin LI https://www.delphij.net/ FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! Live free or die