From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 10:31:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EDC16A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:31:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 506F443D76 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:31:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1595216wxd for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:31:21 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GvCKXxd68OtQMyUBUN6/ZGMkckIw8c8TMe/zeEAqio5ssKST3wPHLfP9Vq0GMeIn6XomiRQWGiaVqFwpNH73TCt5HrmoKM5JatCWSHjEfCOJN2u18P7hh3p/b5pGwT4YDNF/ABuRKmDyr3ySa9p94hsCA9W8FHAGWO7IHuN8xu4= Received: by 10.90.113.20 with SMTP id l20mr1438497agc; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.98.12 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260609110329y643d57eah25d5a312cf3fb04e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:29:36 +0100 From: "Jeff Rollin" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20060911053240.30d8117d.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000001c6d520$292f6700$0c01a8c0@DELL8400> <20060911053240.30d8117d.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Newbie Experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:31:23 -0000 On 11/09/06, Bill Moran wrote: > > Bob Walker wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made > the > > decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux > > system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able > to > > transition away from Windows with minimal disruption to my business. So, > I > > downloaded the .iso images from FreeBSD, Suse, and Fedora. I initially > > favored FreeBSD, since it seemed to have the closest lineage to "pure" > Unix, > > and that was important to me, but after many, many attempts to install > both > > the OS and Gnome desktop environment, I threw up my hands. > > I'm confused. What compelled you to torture yourself, _then_ complain > about it to a list that's sole purpose in existing is to help prevent > you from torturing yourself? > > If you had posted many questions and got no answers, I could understand > throwing up your hands. As it stands, you might want to use those hands > to smack yourself for making your life more difficult than it needs to > be. > > If you have problems, ask on the list at the time the problem occurs. > Complaining after the fact (as you're doing) accomplishes nothing. > > While I can't speak for the project "officially", I would wager to say: > 1) We know our installation is not as pretty and easy as others, and > 2) We don't care. > > We are a community. We're not Microsoft. We're not interested in > driving users away by saying "here's everything you need, don't bother > us again." Our limited resources are focused on developing the really > important parts of the system. While few would complain if the > install process were made easier, nobody has the time to work on it. > Become part of the community and ask questions when you have trouble. > Find a local user's group. But please, please don't complain about the > OS not working right when you use it wrong. The FreeBSD community is > an integral part of the OS. Not making use of the FreeBSD community > and then complaining that the OS is difficult to use would be like not > using a mouse then complaining that MS Windows is hard to use. > > -- > Bill Moran Well said, Sir. Jeff Rollin