From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 17:59:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9EB16A441 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:59:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: from mail.data.bg (mail.data.bg [195.149.248.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CEB543D76 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:59:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: (qmail 28348 invoked by uid 104); 6 Oct 2005 17:59:36 -0000 Received: from danchev@spnet.net by mail by uid 104 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (spamassassin: 2.20. uvscan: v4.1.40/v4100. Clear:SA:0(-1.4/8.0):AWL, BAYES_05 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3. Processed in 1.450177 secs); 06 Oct 2005 17:59:36 -0000 X-Spam-Tag-Score: SA:0(-1.4/8.0):AWL,BAYES_05 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Spamassassin-Hits: -1.4 X-Spamassassin-Tests: AWL,BAYES_05 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO danchev5.ddns.homelan.bg) (83.97.29.150) by smtp.data.bg with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 17:59:34 -0000 From: George Danchev To: "Simon L. Nielsen" Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:59:33 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200510060816.j968Gm4f030207@freefall.freebsd.org> <200510061943.13663.danchev@spnet.net> <20051006171928.GB893@zaphod.nitro.dk> In-Reply-To: <20051006171928.GB893@zaphod.nitro.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510062059.34120.danchev@spnet.net> Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/86970: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:59:46 -0000 On Thursday 06 October 2005 20:19, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: --cut-- > Yes there are things that need to be changed, it was never the plan to > just change to the new web site and then leave it. We knew that there > where things that should be improved, but it's much simpler to do once > we have it in our many CVS repository and people have had some time to > digest the new site. This does not explain the deploying the new and unfinished web site in production without being announced on the old one and shown to the site visitors as in separate dir/. No all site visitors are supposed to read www/doc mailing lists, but all of them are vulnerable to unexpacted surprices. Also you might have distributed it in cvs repo as separate branch or dir or whatever without main site surprises. -cut-- > > It has already been said that the important links should stay on the main > > page, not forcing people digging hard for stuff. > > I agree, but defining what is important is really hard since we have > many different types of users of the web site. E.g. we have new > commers that want to learn about FreeBSD, regular users, developers > etc etc. Ok I hope you are collecting the requested links found in the old mainpage and not in the new one. > > Look at the old site's left > > pane for example. These are the bullet lists links for Platforms, > > Software, Documentation, Support, Bug Reports, Development (at least) > > along with their submenus as links. Just one-click away - clean, sane and > > simple. > > And way too many links almost never used which made it hard to find > the important parts (IMO). The important parts are now missing from the new site IMO and not only mine. > > Also my personal opinion is that the new site should have been placed at > > freebsd.org/new and discussed to death before surprising people > > unexpectedly, > > It has been said many times on the doc/www mailing lists that we would > do this so anybody that was really interested in the topic and have > been on our mailing lists have already had a chance to suggest improvments. Again, you do not need to challenge site visitors not tracking www/doc mailing lists. > Also note that over the last year or so there has been several longs > threads about the topic. Also, discussing it to death would just have > meant exactly that - nothing would have changed. As I already said you missed to deploy freebsd.org/new/ (whatever you have done for people to see), leave the old one as it used to be with a clear announce for the new one... instead of just placing the old and working one in old/. > I'm sorry that you don't find the new web site to be an improvement, > but I and many other people do. And belive me, this was _not_ done to > annoy people. I believe you. Just constructive critisism. And thanks God there are always other options to consider. -- pub 4096R/0E4BD0AB 2003-03-18 fingerprint 1AE7 7C66 0A26 5BFF DF22 5D55 1C57 0C89 0E4B D0AB