From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 13:41:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB969CE2E7 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:41:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johannes@brilliantservice.co.jp) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451F81128 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:41:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johannes@brilliantservice.co.jp) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 44B639CE2E6; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4F89CE2E5 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:41:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johannes@brilliantservice.co.jp) Received: from mail-qg0-f51.google.com (mail-qg0-f51.google.com [209.85.192.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDA2B1126 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:41:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johannes@brilliantservice.co.jp) Received: by qgev79 with SMTP id v79so12641894qge.0 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 06:41:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=sFYOt0CvWfxcjqCcVIFF1KVpXjJ9kY8lZtec7IqUIvw=; b=Ub/xdS2kUP+LQOG05psFo1Mqi3u5YnVqecxXEEajxEn/9hCAAmZZffl5v3illbZtcw YSUv+JA0wDGGQxA8eDH7dFqeRkzRoBwWYCOMju7t7PKxE7ThtXTB52wK90QluJLMnpkT ApDTAyIxNLev4jwbeEHWOHmdtE7BRzDnDfYanicLsJqxgw9BAHwikGe/XkQmuVqf1hrM e2kI8Ec8+yij5LHdFlWa5xJ00sVyjg5Zo1HD8H4AILKd1mRzcrvVWEvKTMW3Csdi6wN5 6p9FA8TYqU7slErjSIyTBFhn4zAksXQljGACc20rOdGaI7yStGYfze7IGUf0+c7eb0Mw /+Lg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmP5paUMlfN0FWTLOWjIvQmRGnysY1mxoMfq3Bg9SHvcitn4Dx+Tl7m87y/4gpRFQQjNBPWCvo7TpEroopYqh/XptCJs5IL1u9xZj7XRRGQhFsFK3zAt7ishj5+Mb/QCHQwbJh3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.131.135 with SMTP id 129mr54946405qhd.31.1442497304045; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 06:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.55.166.75 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 06:41:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150917131333.GN1247@egr.msu.edu> References: <55FA7324.5010603@icloud.com> <09A515F2-44BA-4DF0-9792-D4C56EEB9D7C@FreeBSD.org> <114F22EF-61E3-4D75-84FB-9D6E3FBCB8F3@FreeBSD.org> <20150917131333.GN1247@egr.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 22:41:43 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Intel Haswell support - Any updates? From: "Lundberg, Johannes" To: Adam McDougall Cc: David Chisnall , "current@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:41:46 -0000 Same here. I would personally definitely buy new hardware from Intel if FreeBSD worked on it (not vesa...) However, the problem now is not the driver right? But the whole graphics stack which has to be rewritten to work with new generation graphics like KMS, Wayland, etc? On Thursday, September 17, 2015, Adam McDougall wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 12:43:59PM +0100, David Chisnall wrote: > > On 17 Sep 2015, at 11:31, Lundberg, Johannes < > johannes@brilliantservice.co.jp > wrote: > > > > Anyway, I wish the foundation would support the graphics team by > sponsoring this development=E2=80=A6 > > The Foundation did fund a lot of this work, and likely will again. The > problem is not > willingness of the Foundation to fund it, nor availability of funds. > > I was not aware of this and am happy to hear it! > > Long term, the real solution is to convince GPU vendors to put as much > effort into > funding FreeBSD driver development as they do into funding Linux and > Windows driver > development. The Foundation has been reaching out in this direction, > > Glad to hear this too. It is more comforting to hear. > > but it=E2=80=99s far more compelling if people can document cases where= lack of > FreeBSD support > has cost a vendor sales. If you=E2=80=99ve bought a system with an nVi= dia or > AMD GPU (or, > ideally, if your company has bought a few thousand) because of lack of > FreeBSD support > from Intel, then let Intel know. > > David > > In all seriousness, do you have a suggested contact for us? I can't offe= r > bulk sales > avoidance but on a personal level I am clinging to a 4.5 year old laptop > and would > replace it tomorrow with another higher end model if I had any practical > choices for > FreeBSD graphics support. Even nVidia is not a checkbox solution on > laptops because as > far as I understand it you still have to deal with Optimus which cannot > simply be > disabled as in the past. I also have considerable stability problems wit= h > the nVidia > driver on my desktops and I will be reporting it very soon after some > debugging. Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " --=20 -- Johannes Lundberg BRILLIANTSERVICE CO., LTD. --=20 =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- =E7=A7=98=E5=AF=86=E4=BF=9D=E6=8C=81=E3=81=AB=E3=81=A4=E3=81=84=E3=81=A6=EF= =BC=9A=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E9=9B=BB=E5=AD=90=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81= =AF=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E3=81=AB=E9=80=81=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=97= =E3=81=9F=E3=82=82=E3=81=AE=E3=81=A7=E3=81=82=E3=82=8A=E3=80=81=E7=A7=98=E5= =8C=BF=E7=89=B9=E6=A8=A9=E3=81=AE=E5=AF=BE=E8=B1=A1=E3=81=A8=E3=81=AA=E3=82= =8B=E6=83=85=E5=A0=B1=E3=82=92=E5=90=AB=E3=82=93=E3=81=A7=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE= =E3=81=99=E3=80=82 =E3=82=82=E3=81=97=E3=80=81=E5=90=8D=E5=AE=9B=E4=BA=BA=E4=BB=A5=E5=A4=96=E3= =81=AE=E6=96=B9=E3=81=8C=E5=8F=97=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3=81=9F=E5=A0= =B4=E5=90=88=E3=80=81=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AE= =E7=A0=B4=E6=A3=84=E3=80=81=E3=81=8A=E3=82=88=E3=81=B3=E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3= =83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AB=E9=96=A2=E3=81=99=E3=82=8B=E4=B8=80=E5=88= =87=E3=81=AE=E9=96=8B=E7=A4=BA=E3=80=81 =E8=A4=87=E5=86=99=E3=80=81=E9=85=8D=E5=B8=83=E3=80=81=E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4= =BB=96=E3=81=AE=E5=88=A9=E7=94=A8=E3=80=81=E3=81=BE=E3=81=9F=E3=81=AF=E8=A8= =98=E8=BC=89=E5=86=85=E5=AE=B9=E3=81=AB=E5=9F=BA=E3=81=A5=E3=81=8F=E3=81=84= =E3=81=8B=E3=81=AA=E3=82=8B=E8=A1=8C=E5=8B=95=E3=82=82=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3= =81=AA=E3=81=84=E3=82=88=E3=81=86=E3=81=8A=E9=A1=98=E3=81=84=E7=94=B3=E3=81= =97=E4=B8=8A=E3=81=92=E3=81=BE=E3=81=99=E3=80=82 --- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and intended solely for the addressee. 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