From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Apr 3 1:37:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 18B2F14C85 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 01:37:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 11613 invoked by alias); 3 Apr 1999 09:35:30 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 11595 invoked by uid 0); 3 Apr 1999 09:35:30 -0000 Received: from fdsl89.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.80.89) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 3 Apr 1999 09:35:30 -0000 Message-ID: <3705E0A9.49257DF5@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 01:34:33 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Donald Wilde , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Installation Guide Project [Was: Re: FreeBSD Adovcacy] References: <37052E56.D243D4F6@thuntek.net> <37053C70.A99BEB29@uswest.net> <370540BF.C67A5442@thuntek.net> <37054D71.A05B12B4@uswest.net> <19990403115350.S413@lemis.com> <370584E6.796DD2A5@uswest.net> <19990403125339.V413@lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: >>> OK, I can agree that the handbook could be clearer on a lot of >>> issues. But why use that as a reason for starting a different effort? >>> It seems to me that you could gain a whole lot by fixing the >>> description in the handbook. And yes, you'll be welcome there :-) >> >> I think Don Wilde said it best when he said the "handbook tries to go >> too many places." > >What does that mean? What does that say about including an >installation guide in it? There is one there already. The best thing >we can do for the FreeBSD community is to ensure that it's good, not >to cry "NIH" and do (y)our own thing. I was commended for my idea by more than a couple of well-knowns in the community. Now people doubt that it would be a good idea at all, that it would reinvent the wheel or undermine existing resources. Between that and the indecisive nature of charters and unorganized structures of services and resources it's enough to make me just throw my hands up and walk away from it, just forget about any active contribution. So you tell me, what should I do? Disregard everyone's comments and do what I want how I want and hope that maybe, just maybe, someone else might also benefit from something that made my life easier, or should I sit here, defending my principals and debating my ideas, trying to get the support of people that I should be able to rely on for help and end up doing little more than grinding my motivations for doing anything productive into the mud? I want to go forward with my idea and I hope that folks like Don Wilde and Dan Langille can and will help me achieve my objectives. I also want to be able to share my projects, but my ambitions aren't going to fair well if I have to defend myself each time. Maybe this is a rant and maybe it's the result of not knowing all that I should. But this *is* what I see and this *is* what I believe. -- dpilgrim@uswest.net /\ / __ Our lies are merely the gryph@mindless.com / \/OC/URNE truth of another world ICQ: 29880099 Death is not a kill -9, just a DALnet: anim0s make world and shutdown -r now PGPKey available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message