From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 3 8:24:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc4-card4-0-cust162.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.4.14.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6257D37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16snVq-000Fhy-00; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:21:30 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:21:30 +0100 From: Ceri To: Tom Rhodes Cc: "Gary W. Swearingen" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/36457: [PATCH] timed(8) Message-ID: <20020403162130.GA60113@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri , Tom Rhodes , "Gary W. Swearingen" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200204020310.g323A2J41698@freefall.freebsd.org> <20020403111353.5dcc5a97.darklogik@pittgoth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020403111353.5dcc5a97.darklogik@pittgoth.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 11:13:53AM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On 02 Apr 2002 14:06:23 -0800 > swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) wrote: > > > writes: > > [SNIP] > > > On further examination, I guess it'd be better yet without commas > > in the short list of three items, so I'd prefer the last of these: > > > > If two or more time daemons, whether timed, or ntpd(1), or others > > try to adjust the same clock, temporal chaos will result. [wrong] > > > > If two or more time daemons, whether timed, or ntpd(1), or others, > > try to adjust the same clock, temporal chaos will result. [ok] > > > > If two or more time daemons, whether timed or ntpd(1) or others, try > > to adjust the same clock, temporal chaos will result. [best] > > If two or more time daemons attempt to access the same clock, temperal > chaos will result. [better?] Temporal chaos will result if two or more time daemons attempt to adjust the same clock. [or] Multiple time daemons attempting to adjust the same clock will cause a rift in the space-time continuum. (You can change that last bit to read "cause temporal chaos" if you prefer; I got bored of reading that phrase already :) > In my opinion, saying timed(8) and ntpd(8) again would be nothing but > repeating. At this point I feel the user or reader should know better > than to start two time daemons. Always best to assume that they don't know, I've found. How's this : Do not attempt to run more than one instance of a time daemon (this includes running ntpd and timed together). Multiple time daemons attempting to adjust the same clock will cause temporal chaos. > What do you think about just omitting the daemon names here all > togeather. If we use your last sentence, i'd like to omit the ``or > others'' because it doesn't sound right, at least to me it doesn't... > I'd rather get an opinion on this though. Perhaps omitting mention of ntpd and timed is good, since the next sentence kind of makes that clear: If both timed and another time daemon are run on the same machine, ensure that the -F flag is used, so that timed never attempts to adjust the local clock. Ceri -- keep a mild groove on To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message