From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jul 10 5: 3:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [63.86.88.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131E637B403 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3E6C755D; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11F11D91; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:04:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Rasputin Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral In-Reply-To: <20010710125613.A51035@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Rasputin wrote: :* Jamie Bowden [010710 12:42]: :> On 10 Jul 2001, Rajappa Iyer wrote: : :> :One of the nice things I like about FreeBSD (and I daresay I'm not :> :alone in this) is that when I install it, I know that I'll get a :> :kernel with a corresponding full and functional userland. I see the :> :packaging of this `base system' as a bunch of (meta)packages as the :> :thin edge of the wedge---pretty soon FreeBSD will resemble the :> :hodge-podge collection of different (often conflicting) packages that :> :Linux is. : :> Where as I see the ability to incrementally upgrade only the parts of the :> OS that have changed from release to release as I can do right now in :> Irix. : :I may be low on caffeine, but I don't see how breaking up the base system :into packages makes it any easier to upgrade than using cvsup? :Id have thought it would require more work to upgrade under some system :similar to the ports tree (at least that's my experience) :But like I said, I've probably misread this post. You're expecting the whole world to keep the source tree on disk and recompile the OS. Once I've done this, I cannot regress. This is unrealistic in production environments. I can update Irix without shutting down, and a single reboot at the end to load the new kernel. Everything is tracked via inst/swmgr, any part can be upgraded or downgraded as necessary, including dependancies. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message