From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 29 04:59:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E389106564A for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:59:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex-goncharov@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB998FC1F for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:59:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex-goncharov@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9Gu31b00m0SCNGk5AGzlUY; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:59:45 +0000 Received: from daland.home ([24.34.211.11]) by OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9Gzk1b0040FJTGg3VGzl3G; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:59:45 +0000 Received: from algo by daland.home with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LSP0B-0003Ds-H8; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:59:43 -0500 From: Alex Goncharov To: Dan Allen In-reply-to: <6B7ABE80-35AB-4C44-B5A4-200E10DCC3AC@airwired.net> (message from Dan Allen on Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:39:10 -0700) References: <6B7ABE80-35AB-4C44-B5A4-200E10DCC3AC@airwired.net> Message-Id: Sender: Alex Goncharov Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:59:43 -0500 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unhappy Xorg upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alex Goncharov List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:59:45 -0000 ,--- You/Dan (Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:39:10 -0700) ----* | > While this enabled the mouse (without HAL), it did nothing good about: | > | > a. The bogus keyboard scans. You are quoting me and I need to clarify... | Everyone is talking about an xorg.conf | The new X.org 7.4 upgrade hit me too: no keyboard & no mouse! Bummer. | I found that if I simply added to /etc/rc.conf: | hald_enable="YES" | that things now work for me. | Previously I never have had hald in my rc.conf. | Hope this helps. `--------------------------------------------------* My worst case is not HAL-related: I had the same behavior with or without HAL, and the behaviour was, e.g.: * I press the keys "TAB q w" over an `xev' window and see the bogus key scan codes -- nothing related to the pressed keys. * In a moment the xev-monitoring xterm window shows a non-stopping flow of events, even though I am not touching anything on the computer. * With some combination of a few key presses over the `xterm' window, suddenly a long stream of `2's appears. Or `z'. Or something else, unrelated to the keys I had pressed. There has been nothing of this sort on my desktop, where I am typing this message -- so, I think I know how to configure X :-). On this desktop I am currently running this new X (installed it on Sunday) -- first I ran it with HAL, then today I switched to the HAL-less mode. I did complain about the garbage in my windows -- and it got me, there was so much of it: I switched to the HAL-less mode a few hours ago and so far it seems I have less of it. Another thing that I am certain about, is that in the HAL mode (I am not yet sure about the behavior in my current HAL-less mode), there is a dramatically higher mouse pointer captivity by some applications (e.g. `opera') -- it sometimes takes (took?) about 10 seconds after shifting a pointer into an xterm or Emacs to be able to produce any keyboard input. I did notice these things with the old X, but on a scale dramatically smaller. ,--- You/Dan (Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:11:13 -0700) ----* | This 7.4 version of X.org is not ready for STABLE! `--------------------------------------------------* I hate to say this, but the new X (as exists in the current FreeBSD ports) sucks and gets in the way of work big time. -- Alex -- alex-goncharov@comcast.net --