From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 20 15:01:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2CA16A4CE for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:01:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aries.siriushosting.com (aries.siriushosting.com [69.90.216.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59BE43D3F for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:01:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from suck@my-balls.com) Received: from localhost.worldwithoutwire.com (CPE00105a1ca6aa-CM00111a59be16.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.197.92.181]) (authenticated bits=0)j2KF1Wgo027811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:01:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:00:58 -0500 To: "Charles Swiger" , "Ted Mittelstaedt" References: <4b92be18094f69f731f15c4872428459@mac.com> From: Adam Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4b92be18094f69f731f15c4872428459@mac.com> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54u1 (OpenBSD, build 892) cc: misc@openbsd.org cc: freebsd list cc: Theo de Raadt Subject: Re: Adaptec AAC raid support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:01:41 -0000 On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:41:33 -0500, Charles Swiger wrote: > On Mar 20, 2005, at 2:24 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > [ ... ] >> In that case Dell is a customer of Adaptec, not the other way around, >> so any NDA that Dell might require for Adaptec to sign would not >> have restricted Adaptec's use of it's own programming documentation. > > And you know this, because...? > > You've read that NDA and you know just what it says and what it covers? > Prove it! > >>> You've failed to address the point. Do you claim that Adaptec is in a >>> position to ignore an NDA they have with a company like Intel or Dell? >> >> The point is they obviously don't have an NDA with Intel since the >> programming docs for the i860 are open already. (at least the don't >> have an NDA that covers this aspect of their relationship, which is all >> we care about) > > Have you read the NDA between Adaptec and Intel? > If not, how do you know just what it does or does not cover? > > Once again, you're making claims of fact about a document that you've > probably never seen. > I think you are making wild assertions and have not even a shred of > evidence to justify them. Speaking of wild assertions with no evidence, why exactly do you keep making up rediculous excuses for a company that hates you? Why do you think that adaptec is special and had to sign NDAs with intel and dell(?!) to make the same products with the same chips that other vendors clearly didn't have to sign NDAs to make? If you understood the subject at hand, you would realize how rediculous your fairy tales are. There is absolutely no reason that adaptec cannot release documentation for their hardware. Nobody even needs to know how the intel chip works, just how to speak to the adaptec firmware. Adaptec doesn't want you to buy their hardware, and your reaction is to try to justify that stupidity for them, since they can't do it? If you like being shit on that's up to you, but don't tell us that we should like it too, or try to justify why adaptec thinks its customers are toilets. Adam